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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Schools are for social learning
Tutors and home is for academics[/quote]

How come private schools can teach more effectively than public schools when it comes to K-3?

Will mcps please hire a consultant to propose changes to the curriculum that will allow public schools to challenge and equip students the way catholic schools do?

Note: catholic schools arguably have far less funding and less trained teachers, yet students quickly learn to read, spell, understand grammar, write in cursive, etc. Heck, they even learn a foreign language! Class sizes at area catholic schools skyrocketed during the pandemic, so they know how to handle big classes. And ICYMI: bipoc families are scrambling to get into area privates as the mass exodus from mcps continues.

Don’t say “Catholic schools can expel troublemakers!”

We are talking about K-3, not middle school or MS13 high school.

I went to Catholic school in the 70s/80s…before adhd and medicated kids were a thing. We had a smattering of kids who definitely had behavior issues. Nonetheless, everyone learned.

Heck, at this point I’d support uniforms, desks in rows, and classrooms grouped by ability. Worth a shot, no? Pilot an old school curriculum and see what happens. Be sure to incorporate grammar (we had spelling workbooks that incorporated vocabulary and grammar). I bet the kids will outpace their counterparts.

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Privates aren't 35%+ ESM students with the addition of students with behavioral issues. They won't even admit kids with behavioral issues. These situations are not comparable.[/quote]

So you are saying the ESM students are negatively impacting everyone else?

Then shouldn’t those kids be in a different class? [/quote]

We have these things called laws, written by politicians, assuming idyllic conditions.  Not to mention research.  These things find and suggest that EML students do best and acquire language faster when immersed in regular classrooms with the language.  These things also indicate that special education students should be in the least restrictive classroom and are entitled to a full range of services in order to allow for access the curriculum and class.

Now, most teachers nor people have any problem with the above ideals, however each does require extra time, funds, and training, to make work properly.[/quote]

You quoted a bit related to ESM…not ESL.

Different kids, different issues…right?

ICYMI: catholic schools in the inner city (think: Baltimore, South Side of Chicago, Compton, etc.) are largely catering to…wait for it…Latinos!!! They can somehow navigate the whole bilingual thing fairly well.)

But we are talking about ESM…different issues.

Maybe mcps needs to find a better solution *if* those kids are the reason why so many 3rd graders can’t read.

I’m not convinced a few kids with extreme emotional issues and behavioral outbursts are the reason why so many third graders can’t read. Another poster suggested it as the reason why even poorly resourced Catholic schools churn out better educated kids than mcps…arguably one of the best resourced districts on the planet. [/quote]

What evidence do you have to prove that homeschooling or students Catholic schools produce better results? Like do the kids actually take the same reading tests as the kids in public school?

Homeschool families are extremely resistant to any kind of oversight or legislation and often pull their kids out of homeschool for the very reason of not wanting their children to be assessed. They claim that their kids are having superior outcomes but don't actually have any kind of data to really prove had to head that their kids are achieving more. It's just anecdotal data about kids going to college but guess what many Public school kids also go to college too. I'd like to see actual head to head data [/quote]

Um???

You quoted me, but I never referenced homeschooling.

I focused on catholic schools.

Why?

Because my siblings and I went to Catholic schools. And while my own kids are currently in mcps, i have friends and family who teach in catholic schools as well as in mcps—and I know kids that have gone through both.

Here’s what I will say: the entrance tests for catholic schools are far more challenging than the mcps tests. We are currently prepping to pull our kids out of mcps and send them to catholic high school.

I will also say this: because of changes to curriculum, there are certain mcps tests that teachers have said are meaningless because students weren’t properly prepared (curriculum doesn’t cover content on the tests).

ICYMI: the original post provides data on how young students can’t read. If that doesn’t make you wonder about mcps, then let’s agree to disagree.

With one already in college (along with tons of friends from mcps and catholic schools), I can report the kids from catholic school are far better equipped for college. It’s the primary reason we are switching to catholic for our younger kids for HS. We never thought our straight A kid would struggle as much as they are…but the low bar in mcps (even at a “good” HS) is to blame. [/quote]

There was another pp saying that reading teaching is easy because any mom or nun can teach it (I guess they missed the memo about how there are fewer women becoming nuns (https://abcnews.go.com/US/americas-nun-population-steep-decline/story?id=87426990) and most Catholic schools have lay staff non nuns.

Your evidence boils down to anecdotal evidence about how you and people you know had a good experience at Catholic school. It doesn't demonstrate that Catholic schools provide a better education [/quote]

Go google the research.

Or find someone with kids in catholic school and compare notes. You’ll be shocked.

Or google the free practice tests catholic schools use for applicants and see how your kid does.

Bottom line: I guarantee that every kid in catholic school can read at an early age—even bipoc kids at catholic schools in the worst neighborhoods in Baltimore or Chicago.

And it’s not because the parents are supplementing or the schools cream and kick out underperforming kindergartners. As if! The entire point of catholic schools in low income areas is to raise the bar and provide a rigorous education at school precisely because they know they won’t get it at home. And they churn out well-educated students.

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