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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Could also be TO and weaker admissions standards for “prestige” universities. It’s not just the pandemic. [/quote] TO has nothing to do with weather a student is prepared for college. I would say I have not seen a major change. If anything, students seem better prepared overall. There are still a few that I was would have been required to talk a basic writing class. The one area I do see a difference is the extent to which students want to turn in work late. There doesn't seem to be the same priority for deadlines. [/quote] +1 My colleagues at T20 schools, SLACS, and public R1 universities report the same behavior I have observed since the pandemic. The majority of students are academically prepared; however, there has been an increase in the number of students who can't meet deadlines, ask to redo assignments, struggle with mental health, and chronically skip class. I'm at a public R1, and our DRW rates have slightly increased since the pandemic; there is some evidence that some TO students are struggling in gateway math courses and had to repeat a course or switch majors. However, this is not a significant number of students compared to pre-TO data. Retention rates amongst TO students haven't decreased, and they are on track to graduate and not negatively impact our 4- or 6-year graduate rates. [/quote] OP - that is encouraging thank you . [/quote] OP - to clarify / Sorry the part about increased mental health issues is not encouraging but [b]perfectly understandable given the collective traumas our youth experienced during the pandemic.[/b] I was aware and we already are quite proactive on the mental health front. Yes you are right that this impacts executive functioning quite a lot. We will continue to work on those skill sets. However, I had assumed there would be more impacts on academic skill sets as well and am encouraged that is reportedly not the case .[/quote] I think the mental heath issues pre-dated the pandemic. I think a lot of the mental health issues also stem from kids living under immense pressure and having their parents manage their entire lives. [/quote] OP - maybe but research is very mixed in that regard. Some research shows that college students with helicopter parents do better and are more confident because they know their parents support them and their success. I am sure there is a balance to that and we parents have to gradually hand over the reigns to our children as they prepare for adult life. I also think there are way more expectations placed on students now then when I was young. We emphasize to our DC that there are many paths to success and that admission to prestigious brand name colleges is not the goal - rather to pursue studies they find interesting in a setting where they feel safe and happy and that eventually lead towards types of employments they will enjoy. [/quote] Hm. Can you provide links or guidance as to where to find these "mixed" research on outcomes/impacts of helicopter parenting? All the studies that I am familiar with point to negative impacts.[/quote] OP: I think that parents often face impossible expectations - i.e.: be involved but not too involved, let your kids fail some times but if they fail it is parents faults, and on and on. I believe that most parents are doing their best. I can’t find the actual article I was referencing from several years ago but here is some research promoting the benefits of strong parental involvement. I am not referring to types of involvement that are obviously destructive. Also once our children are 18, they are legal adults (except for drinking) so appropriate parental involvement is very different. Research has shown a consensus that family and parent involvement in schools leads to better outcomes regardless of a family's ethnic background or socioeconomic status. Parent involvement has led to higher academic outcomes both for children from low and higher socioeconomic status families.Jul 25, 2023 https://www.edweek.org › 2023/07 Does Parent Involvement Really Help Students? Here's What the Research Says https://www.edweek.org/leadership/does- Students whose parents stay involved in school have better attendance and behavior, get better grades, demonstrate better social skills and adapt better to school. Parental involvement also more securely sets these students up to develop a lifelong love of learning, which researchers say is key to long-term success.Dec 14, 2022 https://www.aecf.org › Blog Parental Involvement in Your Child's Education Parents can be a positive element in higher education when they Understand the student experience and are aware of the resources available on campus Understand and support the institution's goals for student development and learning Know when to step in to help their student and when to empower their student to take ... https://www.stetson.edu › law › media The Case for Parental Involvement during the College Years https://www.stetson.edu/law/conferences/highered/archive/media/higher-ed-archives-2009/i-savage-case-for-parental-involvement.pdf This approach is common in educated, middle class families, and linked with superior child outcomes throughout the world. For example, kids raised by authoritative parents are more likely to become independent, self-reliant, socially accepted, academically successful, and well-behaved.Apr 7, 2023 https://parentingscience.com › auth... The authoritative parenting style: An evidence-based guide [/quote] Involved isn’t the same as helicopter parenting.[/quote] OP Non it’s not and I implied that earlier. Everything is a matter of degree for sure. Parents are given many mixed messages and it is hard to find the right balance of involvement. [/quote]
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