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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, I agree.  I’ve been to some really good French restaurants and the food is fine but I just don’t get excited for it.  
Good itialian food, from every region. I could eat every day of my life.  If I’m looking at different restaurant menus, frenzy is often my last pick.  
And my Italian relatives say the French stole all the pastries from italy.  [/quote]
Right? I agree about Italy, good Italian food in Italy is truly amazing. Perhaps it is because I am from Europe? I am a naturalized American citizen, but I have never heard a single person back home or in Italy rave about the French cuisine. To me, they invented nothing, but the baguette and croissant and I wonder if it was really the Ottomans and Italians who influenced the layered sheet pastries.[/quote]

Croissants are from Vienna
https://www.parisunlocked.com/food/food-history/history-of-the-croissant-how-france-adopted-it/[/quote]
Ha, just as I posted. They stole it from my people! Central European food. My grandma was making similar pastries all the time.[/quote]

Yes, the French stole croissants from your grandma. This must be correct.

The French developed an approach to food that essentially altered the history of food, globally, forever. It is not merely that the French developed and refined certain specific dishes that are now very well-loved (the French didn't invent bread or pastries, but they perfected items like the baguette and the croissant to a level and degree that is appreciated my even those from which these traditions may have been "stolen"), the French developed an approach to food that is more influential than any other tradition.

The modern restaurant (any restaurant), culinary schools, cook books, etc., all owe most of their current incarnation to traditions that emerged in France beginning in the 16th and 17th centuries.

Name another culinary tradition with that degree of influence. No one cares if you like beef bourguignon (I actually do not). Arguing that French cuisine is not very good is like claiming Italians don't understand opera. [/quote]
Links to these claims that French altered the history of food, globally, forever... I mean you gonna make such outrageous claims you better have some supporting evidence for it.[/quote]

"Outrageous claims"? Amazing. Apologies for assuming that people on this thread would have some extremely basic knowledge about the history of cuisine.

The French invented the restaurant: https://www.fastcompany.com/90669668/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-restaurant
August Escoffier and the development of "cuisine": https://www.iwfs.org/americas/wine-food---friends-1/articles/auguste-escoffier--founder-of-modern-cuisine
Le Cordon Bleu and the development of culinary school/cooking academies: https://www.cordonbleu.edu/news/paris-school-opening/en#:~:text=The%20magazine%20was%20so%20successful,1895%20with%20Chef%20Charles%20Driessens.
A good history of French influence on Europe and beyond, in food but also in the arts, language, politics, and culture: https://lithub.com/how-french-cuisine-took-over-the-world/[/quote]

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