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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]less popular -

the word is out that select [b]flagship publics offer the best blend of academics and lifestyle with a large enough student body for fun.[/b]

The ivies are seen as woke and/or grindy

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People who are looking for that never seriously considered Ivy League schools. Not now. Not 30 years ago. [/quote]

Exactly! State schools are for MC + poor kids and kids who go to public HS [/quote]

LACS are the new Ivies. They skew wealthy like Ivies used to before endowments went to the moon and they needed to bring in financially needy students. Educationally and socially, they are most similar to Ivies, which are generally themselves just large LACs. All the kids from top schools who used to be able to get into Ivies (but can’t because of all the seats now allocated to URM and FG) are now absorbed by LACs. I don’t see how one can compare state schools to Ivy League schools of years past. There is nothing that resembles an Ivy League school when 50-90 pct of the class hails from one state. [/quote]

I don't think so. Everyone knows what Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are. The percentage of people, both here and globally, who have heard of Pomona, Carleton, and Grinnell is tiny. And you can say whatever about the undergrads who go to HYP, but no one doubts that their graduate and professional schools are among the best in the world. HYP do have an academic reputation that will never be touched by LACS. To be genuinely regarded as elite, there has to be substance. No one is getting a PhD or a medical degree from Middlebury or other LACS. They're specialized little old-timey clubs. And beyond the top 5 or so, they're pretty easy to get into, particularly for those applying ED. Applicants aren't competing with the best and brightest from around the world.

As others have noted, there are far more smart and very accomplished students today than there were thirty years ago. And many students want to study engineering. Or CS. Ivy League schools, with the exception of Cornell, are typically not strong in STEM fields. So there's both bigger absolute demand and demand for different things. The smart science kid that might have gone to Yale thirty years ago is today more likely to be interested in Michigan or Carnegie Mellon. Higher numbers of smart kids with more varied interests have simply expanded the list of schools people regard as elite from the Ivies to something much bigger - MIT, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, Berkeley, Notre Dame, Michigan, CMU, UCLA, Hopkins.

And that list will continue to expand as bright, ambitious students are dispersed through more and more schools. Student quality is ultimately what matters. And there are good students at Georgetown, USC, UVA, UNC, Emory, Texas, Georgia Tech and others. And some are going to Canada like McGill and U of Toronto. And some are going to the UK   [/quote]

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