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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue. [/quote]

I'm the PP.  Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla.  I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh?  I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.[/quote]

Superchargers in cities tend to be low usage.... people charge at home and only use Superchargers--- which are hard on a battery-- while traveling or in a pinch. I am not sure those 5 chargers can really be used to measure demand for teslas. [/quote]

The point is, these are deployed all over the country.  What could the government have spent that money on instead of forking it over to Tesla to buy charging stations?

Why is the government even involved in buying charging stations?  Let Tesla, a private company, roll the charging stations out on their own dime to create demand for their cars.  A tax payer doesn't need to pay for this. This is not a legitimate function of government.

In fact, those government funds were not spent on something else because of this spending to subsidize Tesla.  How is that a good decision?[/quote]

It depends on whether you agree with expanding EV ownership. I am a long time owner of hybrids and EVs.  The reason tesla has most of the market share for EVs is that it's extensive supercharger network makes range less of an issue.  You don't need to have a backup gas car for long drives if you can be assured that you'll be able to quickly charge along the way. The second reason is that teslas charging technology is massively superior. Most EVs require extensive charging time. By contrast, I can usually fill up my tesla in 20 minutes, so it's not substantially more time spent refueling as compared to a gas car.

Other EV makers simply haven't produced charging technology that makes EVs feasible as a sole car option for most families. Being totally EV is possible with tesla. I only have EVs. And I do long trips quite frequently. This is why the government encouraged tesla to make a deal with the other EV makers that they could use the Tesla network. There's no other fast pathway to making non-tesla EVs into a vehicle option that anyone who travels more than 300 miles on a single day-- ever-- could use.

All this said, I also wish they wouldn't do this.  One, I selfishly don't want to deal with crowded charging bays. And two, I don't really care if EV ownership expands. I am not convinced of the environmental benefits. And I don't think the grid can handle a massive increase in EV ownership. Petroleum is a form of energy diversification and shedding it before we have sufficient energy capacity with coal, nuclear, and (lolz) wind/solar isn't smart. [/quote]

Actually, the question is whether you believe that people should be free to spend more of the money they earn or if government should take more of what they earn and decide how to spend it.

EV is in the marketplace. If you want one, buy it at your own cost with the full cost of ownership and stop asking strangers for part of their pay check to support your wants (and the earner forgoing whatever they want to spend their pay check on).[/quote]

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