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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Post story - the kid was initially being treated at a university hospital, not a private clinic

I am willing to actually look at scientific data from other countries, but if the child receives a sufficient amount of psychological testing/therapy and after that time, the docs and parents all agree that medical transition is warranted, why should the state be stepping in?[/quote]

If there is not sufficient medical evidence to justify the protocol of care recommended by the doctors, the state has an interest in protecting children from medical care that is harmful. The state regulates many aspects of medical care, with higher scrutiny applied to care provided to children. The state [i]should[/i] have an interest in protecting children from harmful or incorrect medical care. This used to in fact be a core tenet of liberals, who pushed for increased regulation of medical care provided to children after some horrific scandals in the past. Why the left has abandoned its principles of care for children on this one issue is beyond me, but it has.

And what is happening globally is that there is increasing evidence that standards of care for children recommended by organizations like WPATH are not supported by evidence, leading to retrenchment and in some cases complete reversal of care guidelines around the world. When this happens globally, but US medical bodies are ignoring the increasing pile of evidence of harm, the state should step in. This is not an outrageous position.

All that having been said, I’m not in favor of a complete ban. It’s too extreme, there probably are some cases where medicalization is appropriate, and it’s too blunt of an instrument. But it’s clear that the US is increasingly isolated in its approach to gender affirmative care, and the evidence needs systematic review. [/quote]

I am somewhat skeptical, but again, willing to see what other countries and medical communities are finding.

I’m not against regulations for the protection of children, but Rs have been such vicious a-holes for so many years, it is hard to believe they are actually doing this out of concern and following science vs pure bigotry and hatred[/quote]

Both can be true. The Rs can be (are) acting out of pure bigotry and hate, and yet the science supporting medicalized gender affirmative care for children can be (is) deeply flawed.

You should not let your partisanship blind you so much that you are not willing to ask even basic questions about the standards of care or examine the strengths and weaknesses of the evidence for youth medicalized care. That sort of dogmatic and willful blindness is how we got into this very problematic situation in the first place.[/quote]

I already said I am willing to look. I’m ok with that, and if that is where evidence points, so be it.

It is hard not to be skeptical when Rs dig up the most bizarre people as their “experts”

So hearing them scream about “but other countries” is hard to take seriously [/quote]

Okay. You said you are willing to learn. So, here you go. Below are some publications and analyses regarding what is going on in other countries:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/ — this is the report by the independent investigation into the UKs Tavistock clinic which offered medical gender affirming care to children.

You can also read the book [i]Time to Think[/i] by highly-regarded and award-winning journalist Hannah Barnes. The book goes through the failures of the Tavistock clinic and the weakness of the evidence for medicalized gender affirming care for children. It has something like 50 pages of citations and is meticulously detailed.

In April the Atlantic published an overview article of how various countries are pulling back from medicalized gender affirmative care for children here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2023/04/gender-affirming-care-debate-europe-dutch-protocol/673890/

That’s obviously not a medical journal, but if you actually wanted to learn more, you can use that as a starting point to find the medical journals and discussions in other countries. 
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