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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Rome. DD will go to college in Italy. Will stay in family lake cabin for six weeks every summer. If Trump is re-elected, may send her to high school there and work remotely. [/quote]

You know Giorgia Meloni is the Italian Prime Minister with huge support and she's very much a firm populist and the Italians, like many countries in Europe, have moved decisively to the right on many issues re immigration etc, which is sort of what Trump's platform was. Not sure how she would be better than Trump, but perhaps you're damaged by the TDS? [/quote]

Came here to say this.

If a person wants to leave if DJT gets re-elected, I get it.  Go ahead.  If I had more resources, I may do the same.

But choosing Italy really shows a lack of political awareness[/quote]

Ha! You don’t seem very political aware of the Italian elections dynamic. Choosing Italy because it’s in Europe, I’m fluent in Italian and have Italian citizenship. Yes, I could move anywhere in Europe, but Italy feels like home in away that the US has not since 2016. Fewer mass shootings. Affordable college. Strong healthcare system. Annoying politics - but more turnover for better or for worse. [/quote]

You can tell yourself whatever you want. But let's not kid ourselves that leaving the US to escape Turnip by going to Italy is a bit silly. Italians aren't the beau ideal of progressives. [/quote]

Progressives by your very myopic, American perspective. There are left leaning parties that are against immigration in places like Sweden and Denmark but would be called socialist by every other metric. The socialist president of Peru Pedro Castillo has more in common with Ron DeSantis than Ayanna Pressley on LGBTQ issues but is far the left of anyone in the Democrat Party on every other issue and reveres Fidel Castro.

Just because people don’t neatly fall in line with a bourgeoisie, UMC, Americanized definition of “progressive” doesn’t mean they aren’t left leaning. Italy has a much stronger social safety net, [b]better quality of life for working and middle class people [/b](vacation time and parental leave for example), and has a more equitable healthcare system as well. The new president hasn’t disabled any of these systems because she’s not a traditional American right winger / libertarian. 
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Give me a break.  Italy is a sexist dying country where young people can’t even get jobs necessary to go live on their own.  There is also corruption and all sorts of issues with the Catholic Church and its influence.  Italy is a great place for a vacation and that’s about it.  [/quote]

Is that why Americans are shooting up schools everyday and 1/3 of them are strung out on anti-depressants and suicides and fentanyl overdoses are skyrocketing? Because this country is such an awesome place for the working and middle class? [/quote]

A lot of Italy is poor. You've obviously never been to Naples or the south of Italy. Italy isn't just upscale urban towns and city centers. Average incomes are far lower. There's definitely a drug problem in parts of Italy. I get some of your comments but painting Italy as some sort of paradise while the US is a hellscape is blatantly distorting perspectives.

Speaking of Italian politics, Silvio Berlusconi was convicted of tax fraud and widely known to be very corrupt and had a heavily controversial private life. Much of Italian politics is corrupt on a scale that wouldn't be tolerated in the US. I'm sure you'll spin it away but it will be amusing to watch you try.

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Last time I checked Berlusconi didn’t start a war on a false premise and kill 200,000 civilians in another country so to enrich Halliburton and the oil companies and defense contractors he was tied to. He also didn’t get his drug addict son lucrative board seats in companies in a country that he’d later sell banned arms like cluster bombs to, and enrich some of these same industries in the process, in 2023.

The rest of the world isn’t brainwashed by American cable news 24/7 and views America as a far more corrupt place than somewhere like Italy. Travel some and ask people in India, Brazil, and other large nations which nation they think is a worse actor. [/quote]

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