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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm going to STRONGLY recommend folks click through to the link because OP is cherrypicking data.

Recruited athletes do much worse than FGLI students, for example.

The group least likely to report having cheated? Yes, the group most likely this those reporting under $40K per year HHI. The second mostly likely group to cheat? Those whose HHIs are above $500K.

Look for yourselves. It's not nearly as cut-and-dried as OP would have you believe.

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I don't really know what the recruited athlete data has to do with anything. It's irrelevant. The argument is between first gen/LI and non students.

The same thing is true for the cheating data. The point was about first gen/LI vs non-students. That those above HHI 500K are also more likely to cheat compared to the student body at large is interesting, I guess, but not applicable to this discussion.

I did not cherry pick anything. I listed out all the data I saw that compared the two groups for academic and income measures.

And if you're curious, my implicit understanding of the cheating point was that it's probably more common among low-income students at Princeton to be under tremendous stress/anxiety from academics, due to lack of preparation, work expectations, family obligations and worries, etc. That could result in a situation where a student might justify bypassing the honor code so they could do well. Of course, this could happen to any student at Princeton, but the gap between low income students and the student body at a large is noticeable (there's another one between liberal arts and engineering graduates, for instance- maybe due to rigor differences in the objective evaluation of assignments). It's a position I feel sympathetic about. The majority of LIFG students at Princeton are not cheaters.

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