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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Two people arrested. Not affiliated with the university. In other words, not students. The premise of the post is wrong.

Understand that people like Charlie Kirk are not thought leaders. They are provocateurs. And it’s not students who react this way to them, it tends to be the Antifa types who clash regularly with the America-hating right-wing.[/quote]

No, the title is not at all wrong.

First of all, I have read that one of the protesters arrested were not affiliated with the school.  The other person's identity has not been confirmed. 
They were still out of control.  Nobody was arrested for breaking windows or throwing eggs.  The arrests were because of graffiti painted on a building. 
And, if we want to talk about who exactly is "America-hating," I would say those who are preventing freedom of speech and assembly are guilty of this.  [/quote]

He was free to speak. They were free to protest. Kirk’s message is fundamentally anti-American. The end. But nongovernment threatened his free speech rights.

You act like all speech is valid. Charlie Kirk’s speech isn’t valid. He still gave it and there were consequences for it since most people think he is a vile person.

Free speech doesn’t mean you’re owed a platform and a channel to say what you want unchallenged.[/quote]

Tell us how Kirk's message is "UnAmerican."  Be specific.

When student protests include blocking entrances, breaking windows, throwing eggs...... no, my dear.  This is not promoting freedom of speech.  
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Among many examples, Kirk is a prolific election denier and liar. He attacks democracy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/530239-geraldo-rivera-charlie-kirk-clash-over-voter-fraud-that-is-so-dishonest/

And has been already pointed out, it wasn’t “students” doing these things. [/quote]

WTF?  
How is questioning an election "UnAmerican?"  It's not.  There are still a lot of questions about the legitimacy of the election including judges that allowed election protocols to take place against the laws of a state.  And, the impact a letter from 51 "former intelligence officials" had on the election.  Turns out the crap they spewed was false.

Prove it wasn't students.  Better yet... here is a citation to prove it WAS students....

Marco Perez, a Chicano studies and design student at UC Davis, heard on Monday night that Kirk would be visiting campus. On Tuesday, he designed some protest placards and handed them out to the demonstrators. “Obviously, the students’ views do not align with those of Charlie Kirk,” Perez said. “I think that some of the ideas he presents are problematic, provocative and they go against the needs and the beliefs of the students here on campus.”

Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article273154315.html#storylink=cpy[/quote]

Kirk didn’t “question an election.” He actively perpetuated a fiction that he knew was a lie. He is among the most prolific of people continuing to persist with the fiction that is destabilizing. https://youtu.be/qi_o1I7wOmA

I’m glad you acknowledge that the UC Davis student quoted designed a placard and wasn’t committing violence or throwing eggs etc.

[b]Why were Kirk supporting Proud Boys inciting violence? Answer that[/b].[/quote]

Citation for this claim. Because, what we know so far is that students were the ones in attendance at the "mostly peaceful protest."[/quote]

The Proud Boys' presence on campus has been a thing for months.

https://theaggie.org/2023/03/03/uc-davis-students-organize-community-and-mutual-aid-event-no-fash-fest/

Here are some details from the October clashes:

"About an hour into the event, a group of counter-protesters who are believed to be affiliated with the Proud Boys based on their attire, arrived. The Proud Boys are an exclusively male far-right extremist group that has a history of instigating and engaging with political violence; some members are also involved in white supremacist groups.

Members of the crowd used pepper spray, including those identifiable as Proud Boys, although it is currently unclear who initiated its use. According to eyewitness reports there were also physical altercations, although Farrow said that only one such report has been officially made to the UC Davis Police Department (UCDPD) as of Oct. 28."

https://theaggie.org/2022/11/03/students-react-to-violence-outside-of-turning-point-usa-event/

For the record, UC Davis itself has taken the stance that Kirk was welcome to speak and that this week's clashes produced only "minor" incidents.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/controversial-student-led-event-goes-planned

So, again, this is just another in a running battle between ANTIFA and Proud Boy types. The difference here is ANTIFA is the good guys. ANTIFA stands for "anti-fascists." You know, they're kind of like my grandfather, a WWII veteran who stormed the beach at Normandy. 
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Nowhere in the UC Davis news release did they condemn the violence and vandalism caused by the protesters.  Amazing.

And btw?  My grandfather was also a WWII veteran who would be appalled by the behavior of ANTIFA.  Just disgusting that you call thugs "the good guys."  
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