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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nope, not at the top 20, or maybe even top 30 anymore.  So many are able and willing to pay full price, and with test optional, it still won't matter[/quote]

What do you mean nope? There are many many schools where it does help even if they are not up to your standards.[/quote]

My standards?  I said it didn't matter for top 20 or 30 (said nothing about my standards).  My point is at top schools, full pay isn’t the hook you think it is[/quote]

+1. Full pay is not at all a hook at the top universities. Full pay and extremely wealthy? Now that's a hook. My friend is a billionaire. Her DC is a good student at a good school, definitely not the valedictorian though. She still got into HYP, because the family is probably subsidizing a ton of scholarships for underprivileged students with their generous donations. [/quote]

The list of blind schools where full pay does not help is easily googled, and yes they are mostly top schools.

PP's example is a development admit, which comes though an entirely different office than admissions office first, similar to an athletic recruit.[/quote]

In the 568 litigation it is suggested that development admits are themselves a violation of need blind policies, which makes sense. [/quote]

No, it does not. That persons ability to pay tuition is not considered. Suppose it is a nephew of a donor with a very different economic situation? I know it seems like the same thing but it isn’t. It’s not even done in the same office. [/quote]

I appreciate the nuance but you can appreciate the overall point. The 568 complaint doesn’t really argue that the schools directly violate the need blind policy (except maybe with waitlists) but that many of their other practices violate it, such as favoring development kids.  [/quote]

I’m not sure if you read the post you were replying to. The development admin isn’t always a progeny of the donor. When the development admit is admitted at a need blind school, they do not look at that person‘s ability to pay. Yes, I know it seems like splitting hairs but there’s really no other way to do it and still take development admits, which benefit the poorer students immensely.

Would you prefer there being no need blind schools? That’s really the likely result of this lawsuit being successful.[/quote]

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