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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And this is what I was referring to

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavEOx3hUAk[/youtube]

At 1:30, incredibly based. [/quote]

Spot on.

Remember this quote?
"NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders"

Ukraine is more of a spiritual battle for Russia.  Ukrainians were once the most trusted of the Soviet satellite countries.  They were trusted to operate nuclear weapons and were Russia's shield from the West.  Instead, what happened?  It's like how a mob boss turns against the disloyal.  I think this is why Russian propagandists label Ukraine as an "existential threat".

[b]Remember when Putin made the creepy "lie down" threat?  I can't find the exact quote right now, but it referred to a really nasty story involving a dead woman? [/b] It gave a lot of insight into exactly how much political capital Putin was pouring into the Special Operation.[/quote]

Well it's not quite that....the context of the conversation was Putin quoting Zelensky as not liking the Minsk accords and therefore not being inclined to follow them.  (And it's true, Ukraine never did follow them).  Putin referred to a popular ditty of "whether you like it or not, it's your duty, my beauty".   Crass as it was, the context was that once the treaty is signed, you have to follow it whether you like it or not.

Of course, then Merkel had to open her big mouth and say that "we only signed the Minsk accords to buy time for Ukraine to grow its army."  Gave extra fuel to Putin's claim that the West never acted in good faith.[/quote]

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