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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. [b]I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully. [/b][/quote]

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was [i]"and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind."[/i] I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.  [/quote]

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students[/quote]

You are confused. Follow along here. Whether test scores are low at majority black schools or all white schools, it does not change the fact that schools with almost no kids at grade level will not provide the the same education as schools with all most most kids at grade level. What part of that is hard for you?

I realize that you are desperate to engage in some larger discussion about why low SES have low test scores, but that's not what the discussion was about. Take your shiny object non-sequiter somewhere else.[/quote]

Please see 20:11 for my response. I can’t imagine there is any world where you think the way you talk to people encourages discussion[/quote]

Nah, just have no f**** left to give. People like you who want to talk about anything but how things are. Pretending like schools with 5% kids at grade level are fine schools and provide the same quality of education of high performing schools. Desperate to excuse low performance and low standards that are punishing and failing another generation of kids.

Schools with almost no kids at grade level are lousy educational environments that need to be improved. As long as people like you can't agree on that DC schools cannot improve.  [/quote]

NP and real question, have you been INSIDE any of these schools? 5% kids at grade level but 60% of kids at a level 3 is not the same as 60% of kids at a level 1. Just saying! [/quote]

Why do you excuse poor performance by even considering level 3?  It’s not even at grade level.

Level 3 is just not acceptable, and I don’t care how many kids are there.  Having a high performing kid, I’m looking at level 5.

PP above is the typical poster of low standards and expectations.
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It is not excusing at all. But a 3 and 1 are not the same. Yes, none of those would be high performing and yes PLEASE keep your high performing level 5 kid away from anyone who may have scored a 1, 2 or 3. They are obviously unworthy of being around each other and everyone should give up on them just to give your level 5 high performing kid more time and energy. [/quote]

Wells has 60% with 1s or 2s. You think that's not a problem or impediment to a high performing kid's growth and success? I don't think PP said their kid shouldn't be around lower performers. I think they suggested that setting below grade level as a goal doesn't help kids. As a parent it would piss me off if a teacher imputed to my kid (or the entire class) that a 3 is good enough. That's the concern. That's where lowered expectations come into play.[/quote]

But what teacher said that? Who said that any school was saying that 3s are enough? There are posters who make assumptions that any teacher (or staff member) at any school is saying a 3 is enough and I have never seen that anywhere. [/quote]

Then you've never been in one of these classrooms. If 60% of kids are at 1 or 2, (1) what level do you think is going to be taught and (2) what realistic goal do you think the teacher will have for the kids? [/quote]

DP: so you’re just projecting. FYI, teachers are evaluated based on test scores and student growth, not proficiency. If a student comes in at L3, they will not be rated effective unless they grow to 4/5. [/quote]

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