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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Drivers didn't stop before.  You say "of course" but they didn't.

I head into the crosswalk because[b] people don't stop when they see you waiting, even if they are required to,[/b] and because where I am going is as important as where you're going, and me waiting for several minutes so that you don't have to wait for a several seconds while I cross is ridiculous. [/quote]

but here is where you are wrong. Drivers are only required to stop for pedestrians who are physically in the crosswalk. They are not required to stop just because someone is waiting to cross. Stopping to let someone cross can be dangerous if it is on a busy road. It is up to the pedestrian to wait until there is a break in traffic to cross.[/quote]

It's fascinating how this has turned into drivers having the right of way and pedestrians having to wait, no matter what the law says. [/quote]

No one has a right of way, one party needs to yield the right of way. [/quote]

I seems you don’t understand the concept of “right of way.” The law requires that a driver yield to another who has the right of way. It’s the very essence of the concept of yielding, It also varies by state. In NJ drivers are required to stop for pedestrians in a marked crosswalk but yield to those in an unmarked crosswalk. In Connecticut a driver must yield to pedestrians standing at the curb. [/quote]

Pedestrians must also yield the right of way to vehicles. A crosswalk doesn't give you a right to step out into the crsswalk without due consideration for the rights of way for the drivers.[/quote]

But the driver doesn't have the right of way in that situation.  If a driver is driving down a street and someone from a cross street who has a stop sign pulls out without looking, would you say the driver who didn't have the stop sign should have given "due consideration for the right of way for the driver" who had the stop sign?[/quote]

The driver who didn't look failed to yield the right of way. No one ever "has the right of way." Driving is not my turn, my turn, my turn, me, me, me![/quote]

Yes and the driver in that scenario who didn't look is in the same position as the driver in the original scenario who didn't look or stop for the pedestrian. The pedestrian has the legal right to cross and the driver approaching to crosswalk has to stop just as if it were a stop sign.  Just as the driver in the second situation has to stop at a stop sign and not crash into the person on the road who doesn't have a stop sign.  [/quote]

Reverse the situation. The person can't just step into the crosswalk, ignoring any approaching traffic, and "declare" their right of way. The must yield to approaching traffic that would be unable to safely stop. Yes, you have to use your judgement. It's not a black and white world.[/quote]

The person doesn’t need to declare anything- the pedestrian has the right of way. The fact that the driver could kill the pedestrian doesn’t change who has the right of way, it just means that the driver can bully it’s way into not yielding the right of way. [/quote]

Ok so let's say you are driving down a street with a 35 mph speed limit and I step out in front of your car when you're 10 feet away because I have the right or way. You're saying it is still 100% your fault that you hit me and are cool with being charge as such? 
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Which roads have a 35 mph speed limit and don't have crosswalks at lights? 
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Not talking about a crosswalk at a traffic light with a signal. If a light is red then obviously you stop.

I am talking about a road with fast moving vehicles and crosswalks without signals.

For example RT 50 near me has a 45 mph speed limit and marked crosswalks (crosswalk is marked but there is not signal or even flashing crosswalk sign).

Can pedestrians jus walk into the roadways as they wish? do you really thing cars will come to a stop in the middle of a road with the car behind them going 45 just because someone is waiting to cross? [/quote]

NP.  That seems like insane road design.  There should be a light or better yet a pedestrian overpass.  Pedestrians can't safely cross multiple lanes of traffic going 45mph.[/quote]

The GW parkway outside Arlington has crosswalks. They have added some signage because pedestrians and cyclists just cross when they reach the parkway, regardless of how close the vehicles are. [/quote]

Do you mean overpass? There aren’t “crosswalks” on GW Parkway. 
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