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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A good facelift may look natural (and good ones definitely do) but it's hardly natural aging. 
The rest of us are still stuck with our jowls at 50 and a tendency to feel bad about ourselves because the standard of Beauty of even white haired Helen Mirren is to be jowl-free and luminous at 78.  [/quote]

+1, just shows how internalized this all is, if the goal is *looks like natural aging*.  Without the facelift, her career would have ended 20 years ago.[/quote]

I'm the PP who said she's still allowed her face to age. I want to be more clear about this.

Helen Mirren is a film actress. I know we like to compare ourselves to and identify with celebrities like this, but they are not actually held to the same beauty standards. Their job is to appear on camera. And the standards are brutal on men too, even though they are not held to the same standards of youth as women are. Many, many male actors get face lifts after 50. Jaw lines are very important on screen. So to me, Helen Mirren getting a face lift to give her jaw a sharper line and get rid of jowels is like a major league pitcher getting a second Tommy John surgery -- it's a reasonable investment in her career. That doesn't mean you or I should go get a face lift (or Tommy Johns!). As I mentioned, many Hollywood actresses have had nose jobs as well. Maybe even Helen Mirren! it's just that they do this early in their career generally and it's not associated with aging. But these are common things done to improve appearance in order to benefit your career. It's a visual medium.

But Mirren absolutely has allowed her face to age. She has allowed her skin to wrinkle and her lips to think. There is no evidence of Botox or fillers that I can see. And when you see her smiling in a photograph and her face crinkles up? It's beautiful. And it would still be beautiful with jowels. The point is that she proves that wrinkles and sagging are not, in and of themselves, ugly. They are just signs of aging. Helen Mirren looks old but she also looks beautiful. That's very inspiring to me. I'm never going to be as beautiful as Helen Mirren (again, famous film actress versus regular person) but that doesn't mean I can's appreciate that she makes aging look pretty good.[/quote]

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