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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Try again, in English this time.[/quote]

It was buried in the OP’s post but here is the question:

“How, as someone very religious, that’s who I am sort of seeking input from, how do you square the rise in stories like this with your religion if it tells you abortion is never allowed?”
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I am not very religious but I was raised by an extremely doctrinaire Catholic.

The answer is: orthodox Catholics see fertility as a sort of religious sacrament and ritual. the Catholic doctrines on birth control and abortion are based on a notion of life as holy and the moment of conception as a way to see God. This carries over to the entire pregnancy. Conception, pregnancy and birth are worshipped in the story of Mary and the nativity. Fertility is a way to *see God manifest is humans* which is why more effective methods of birth control that use devices and medications are forbidden but the rythym method is OK because it physically “leaves room for God” because the sperm and egg are where they are supposed to be. NONE of this has anything to do with the actual woman or the actual fetus. It’s a religious rite. [/quote]

This is a good explanation.. but to add history.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted up until ensoulment for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder. But he also allowed Bishops to give dispensation (permission) for abortions rather freely.

In 1591 the new Pope Gregory XIV Reversed the decision declaring abortion a sin if it took place after ensoulment, which he determined took place 166 days.

Pope Pius IX reversed the decision yet again in 1869 and made abortion after conception a sin.

To put things in perspective Sixtus V was not infallible and he believed adulatory should be punishable with the death penalty. Obviously the men of the church did not give him support on that so it never became Catholic law”.

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