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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s sad how hard the pro-gun people are working to gloss over the facts that two people died needlessly because of their gun lust. [/quote]
If the shooter didn't have a gun, then this tragedy wouldn't have happened.

I just came back from the UK. Not once did I worry about a shooting, and we went all over the country, to many touristy places.

In the US, I think about a shooting at church, movie theater, mall, school, any business, driving, and now parades, apparently.   The US is not a safe place anymore.

And yes, we are going to move to the UK just as soon as the kids are done with their schooling.  Spouse is from there.[/quote]

And there you can worry about being stabbed or deliberately run over with a vehicle.  Enjoy.[/quote]

Geeeee ........do I want to be up against an assault rifle or a knife?   What a tough choice.[/quote]

Agreed. If I was a battered spouse and my ex was coming at me with a knife, an assault rifle would stop him before he got too close. 
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oh honey, your abusive spouse would have a gun, not a knife.  In red states, abusers can buy guns.  Enjoy![/quote]

Seriously? Is that true?

Wow.

How come that’s not a federal law? That seems like a no-brainer. [/quote]

Of course it’s NOT true. It’s just another lie posted here by the anti-gun zealots. Because they assume you’re gullible and won’t know any better.

Domestic abusers and people with protective orders against them, or anyone with a conviction (even misdemeanor) for any type of domestic violence, have been federally prohibited from buying, owning or possessing any kind of firearm since 1994. 22 years ago. It’s called the Lautenberg Amendment (it was attached the crime bill in 1993). It’s been federal law on the books for a generation now.

Why do they lie about stuff like this?

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DP:  YOU're the liar.  There are plenty of exceptions to the federal prohibition - most notably the "boyfriend loophole."  Abusers with misdemeanor DV convictions who are not spouses, cohabitants, or parents-in-common are not prevented federally from firearm use/possession.  Also, only people with ACTIVE protective orders are prevented from use/possession - people with criminal convictions for VIOLATING protective orders can buy guns all day long.[/quote]

Sorry, but you’re flat out wrong (or lying?). Anyone with a DV conviction, regardless of who it was against, is prohibited by the Lautenberg law. Period.

And if a protective order was sought out in retaliation or in bad faith as part of a divorce strategy, that person should have their rights restored. Many divorce attorneys will seek protective orders as a matter of routine, just to set up a scenario where the opposing party can be charged with violating it, simply because it helps with the case/child custody. It’s an abuse of law, and it happens regularly. I’ve seen it dozens of times. [/quote]

Sorry, but you are wrong.  Period.  Lautenberg DOES NOT APPLY to all people with a DV conviction.  The definition of "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" (MCDV) is found in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(33).

To be considered MCDV, the crime must be:

A crime that is considered to be a misdemeanor under federal, state, or tribal law
A crime that has--as an element--the use or attempted use of physical force or the threatened use of a deadly weapon
The crime is committed against a current / former spouse, a parent or guardian, or against a close family member with whom the victim is living or has lived in the past.

[b]Boyfriends, and lots of other people, can buy guns if they didn't live with the victim.  If the charge was DV Stalking, or DV Terrorizing, or DV Reckless Conduct, the conviction may not result in firearms restrictions.[/b]

--- And sure, lots of people who have been served Protection Orders didn't do much, or anything, wrong.  But people who VIOLATE the Order have done something wrong.  People who have violated the Protective Order with violence can still get guns.  Truth.[/quote]

I can think of at least half a dozen of my friends that would deliberately file a complaint (an exaggerated one, I mean) against former boyfriends who they’re still angry at for one reason or another. This would be ripe for abuse.

But maybe that’s the intent of the law… [/quote]

It’s the Conviction that leads to firearms restrictions, not the accusation. Speaking as a criminal defense lawyer who makes a living defending accused abusers, if they’re convicted, your friends’ angry accusations are probably based in truth.  Also, you need new friends.  [/quote]

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