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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL.  [/b]And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.[/quote]

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue.  But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.  [/quote]

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.[/quote]

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it.  I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.  [/quote]

You have the causation all turned around here, which I think is why you're having trouble understanding this (unless you are deliberately misunderstanding).  The Rooney Rule did not create these issues of racism in the NFL, it was the NFL's attempt to address racism in hiring practices to avoid a lawsuit like this one.  What is clear from Flores' lawsuit is that the Rooney Rule is not working because teams are continuing discriminatory hiring practices despite the rule.  [b]The discrimination claims are not based on violation of the Rooney Rule itself, it is based on the actual racism going on in the hiring practices of NFL teams.  These violations of the intent of the Rooney Rule are evidence of teams' discriminatory practices [/b]because it demonstrates that, even in the face of ample evidence of past discriminatory practices, teams are doubling down on those practices [i]with full knowledge of the effects [/i]rather than trying to eliminate racism in their hiring practices.  [/quote]

some good points, but it still overlooks why the Giants wanted Daboll over Flores.  Are you seriously arguing it was because of race?
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[b]I would recommend you read the complaint itself.  [/b]The lawsuit is not just about that single incident.  It provides a detailed account of the history of racism that led to the Rooney Rule, the failure of the Rooney Rule itself because of the lack of good faith compliance by teams, how the issue pervades not only head coaching positions but also coordinator and GM positions, and detailed accounts of multiple specific instances of disparate treatment in hiring involving different individuals and teams.  It is a detailed and compelling read.  Unless, that is, you go into it determined to reject any possibility that racism could exist in the NFL due to your own bigotry. [/quote]

Fair point. I haven't read it.[/quote]

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