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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban. 
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider. 
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Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support. [/quote]

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform!  Thanks for the succinct info.[/quote]

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability.  Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society?  Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect.  Perfect babies.  Perfect families.  Strong society.  No diversity.

Have the conversation.  Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter.  We have worthy lives.  We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w[/quote]

You may choose not to abort a fetus with an abnormality. Other women may make the choice for all of the reasons listed up thread. It’s their choice to make. And screens, while absolutely important, are a privilege and often only available to women with health insurance who can access comprehensive prenatal care.  Restricting choice is being anti-choice.  [/quote]

That poster is not advocating for restricting choice but is highlighting ethical concerns. We can have a discussion within pro-choice. We can have a discussion that does NOT restrict choices. However, it is beyond crass to quickly suggest thank god you can still abort downs or disabled babies and maybe examine what that says about society. You can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that. While I believe everyone should have whatever choice they need to make and I do not support women having to give a reason for their abortion (or any other restrictions) I think we need a national conversation about how we view the disabled. Mouthing off of how burdensome it would be to have a downs baby is just awful.

This is perhaps for a different thread. [/quote]

Mouthing off about how burdensome it is to have a downs child - who is doing that? At the same time, get real. Do you not realize or respect the very significant needs of children with severe disabilities and chromosomal abnormalities? If that bothers you, look to are bizarre health care system and social safety nets that make caring for someone with any type of illness, let alone a severely disabled child, grindingly difficult. Do not dismiss how difficult it is, how expensive, and the extent of sacrifice of caregivers. Sorry that’s not sunshine and rainbows for you, but that’s reality. [/quote]

It would be nice if people on both sides of the abortion debate would stop saying downs babies. They’re children with Down syndrome, not downs, not down’s. (Unless maybe you’re European but it’s a DC based board and it’s Down syndrome in the US).

It’s a lot of work to have a child. They all come with their challenges. Some kids come with more time consuming and costly challenges than others. Kids with Down syndrome often have other medical issues. It can and does break families. So many people think they’re going to have this always friendly, hugging, happy little kid like they see on TV, or someone like Corky from Life Goes On. You can’t tell the severity or all the complications that will happen until the child is here. People don’t think about puberty and the issues that come with that, and the high risk of abuse among people with disabilities. Even simple things like getting a sitter come with challenges. If people feel like they’re equipped and knowledgeable enough to handle it, fine. But to thrust that onto someone who isn’t equipped to handle it is cruel. It’s already hard to decide what to do, either way, but to be forced into a decision that’s going to bring financial hardship and marital distress as well as the joy of having a child to parents when it’s preventable is extremely cruel. There’s also almost no way they’re not going to require government assistance (which I’m fine with and think there should be more opportunities for that), so it’s also costing taxpayers to force people to have children with disabilities.  I’m only bringing that up because it’s such a common theme for conservatives when it’s convenient. [/quote]

Great post. Thank you. [/quote]

Agreed. Private charity, which is what conservatives usually advocate for, has been entirely insufficient in this case. Relatively speaking, Down’s syndrome is one of the “easier” genetic disabilities. Many children go on to live happy lives with support (many children do not, but it is possible). Other diseases result in your child becoming progressively sicker and weaker until their bodies waste away in front of you. I personally would never choose to put a child through that if I had the choice. I don’t believe in God, God’s will, or that suffering brings redemption - I simply see a child that is being tortured to death.  If you want to make that choice or deprive yourself of the testing that would present you with that choice, good for you, that’s a choice you get to make for yourself and no one else. [/quote]

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