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That's the entire point - to start a discussion. To say that status quo isn't OK.

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If that's the entire point, then it's just a kind of verbal masturbation. The point should be to improve on the status quo. And to do that, you can't just point to problems with the status quo, you have to propose actions that will cause an improvement upon the status quo. To do that, you have to articulate what the future will look like, how it will be better than what we have now, and how the proposed actions will cause that improvement. [/quote]

Yes, you are correct. I guess after the last few years I've lowered my expectations. Seems like just getting everyone to acknowledge there is an issue with status quo would be progress at this point.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think saying that "we just want you to acknowledge the issue" makes people more wary than proposing a concrete change would. Because people don't trust that this is or will be the only request. "Acknowledging the problem" feels like signing a blank check because there's an expectation that, after the acknowledgment, there will be a request for something more tangible -- otherwise what's the point? [/quote]

Yup. It's tough to have a conversation about anything when people are so distrustful and aren't even open to acknowledging issues. Some people just DGAF about others.
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There is some distance between "distrustful" and "DGAF." Like, I think there are serious issues with structural inequality caused by racism (not to mention racism itself). But sometimes I don't entirely trust the motivations of people who raise racism and structural inequality as issues. With some people, it feels like they can be using those issues for personal gain. [/quote]

So? That doesn't mean we have to shut down the conversation.

After centuries of people personally benefitting from doing the wrong thing, I'm OK with some people personally benefitting from doing the right thing if the effort has a net benefit. 
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