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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't see any proof in the article that those applicants were not qualified or would have been rejected. Just a statement that said they would have with no support.  Just because you are an athlete, a legacy or a teacher's child...does not mean you aren't smart or have the grades or test scores.
Did those things help them get in - sure - but no support for the other.
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The study itself states that a significant portion of this group would not have gotten in without the preference. [/quote]

That's because brilliant white kids still need another hook to get in.[/quote]

Brilliant white kids need another hook to get in because non brilliant white kids are being accepted due to their athletic abilities. [/quote]

[b]Being white is a detriment for admissions[/b]. [/quote]

You can't really believe this do you? I guarantee if a white kid doesn't get in, it's not because he is white. It's because there is a more qualified, hooked, legacy white kid who took that space. Not some random person of color.[/quote]

Admissions is a function of a bunch of variables -- test scores, school performance, extracurriculars, athletics, legacy, other hooks, region, random noise, and yes, ethnicity.  Nobody who studies this seriously denies that race plays a major causal role in admissions.  That is, given equivalence across all other dimensions, candidates of different races get different treatment.  Of course given the complexity of the decision-making process you can always point to some other factor.  But that's a naive way of looking at it.

This topic is so interesting because of the knots people will tie themselves into trying to deny this basic fact.  But if you support AA, as I do, you need to be honest about this because otherwise it's just discrediting.[/quote]

+1. It seems 95% of Americans seem to understand this and accept it. Harvard can ADMIT anyone they want, and on avg they seem to do a decent job since ppl are still complaining that that their kid didn’t get admitted even with slightly better/lower test scores. I wish Asian’s would stop complaining and go to other schools. There is this weird entitlement that they have with brand name schools. [/quote]

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