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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The qualities  of gifted and talented [b]are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors[/b].

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously. [/quote]

This is absolutely not backed up by research.  [/quote]

The research flawlessly measures things that are highly influenced by environmental factors.

Take a Spanish speaking 4 year old and test them on English vocabulary that they may have had zero exposure to then of course they will score low. Even if you test a low income black kid for vocabulary, if their parents have limited vocabulary themselves then the kid won’t score well either.

Neither kids score truly represents their actual cognitive ability.[/quote]

FYI, the kids in NYC could be tested in several languages; Spanish was definitely on the menu.

However, many bilingual kids are a bit delayed with language at that age regardless of income.  This is the time when they start getting comfortable with English, due to the exposure in pre-K (universal and free in NYC), and their native language may slip a bit while they are not up to speed on English yet.   [/quote]

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