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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, are you a Michigan resident? What exactly is your beef, here?[/quote]

It's just astonishing a state flagship has been stolen from residents. State flagships are cultivated over centuries for residents, not carpetbaggers. It does not benefit the state of Michigan what-so-ever to give 25,000 seats at the undergraduate college to non-residents. 99% of these 25,000 flee the state immediately after graduation.

And spare me the ranking B.S. Nobody but pathetic insecure strivers give a darn about fake U.S. News rankings. And were UMich to become 75% in-state instead of 50-50, it wouldn't fall but a handful of spots. The university's power and clout is not dependent on obnoxious frat boys from Long Island and New Jersey.[/quote]

Hyperbole much?  Undergraduate matriculants are about 15,000 out of state. That means 15,000 students are instate.  UVA, for example, has only 17,000 undergraduates in total.  In reality, Michigan educates its highest achieving instate students much better than UVA. [/quote]

Such an amateur tactic. You sound quite juvenile and your motives are obviously suspect. U-M is a very large school, as all Big 10 schools are, so why are you comparing its enrollment to a relatively small flagship like Virginia? Berkley is also very large, at over 31,000. California taxpayers didn't care that, well, technically there are still more in-state students at Berkley than at smaller UVA. California taxpayers said make our flagships 80+ % in-state, period. Just as Wisconsin and Michigan taxpayers ought to do. 50-50 is a scam.[/quote]

Amateur? Virginia and Michigan are fairly close in population. California has over three times as many residents. Michigan is better than all other B1G publics, so that comparison isn’t valid. Michigan serves its elite students better than UVA. It’s that simple. Elite students instate are for the most part not being denied admission to Michigan. Can you say the same for UVA?  [b]Virginia deliberately has made its flagship small compared to the big three rated ahead of it. [/b]Don’t blame Michigan, or hold it against them, that they chose to educate more out of state students. It’s to their benefit, and those elite instate students that are overwhelmingly admitted.  [/quote]

This is correct.  Because UVA has not grown its undergraduate capacity, and its AO's preferences disfavor NOVA applicants, a NOVA applicant will have a worse chance getting into UVA than the Michigan equivalent (Grosse Pointe and surrounds) will have in getting into U-Mich.    Also, the Michigan state government funds Michigan State and the directionals well, so there are alternatives to U-Mich.

The inaccessiblity of UVA has been compounded by VT's becoming more inaccessible in its own way last year.  The Virginia government has supported alternatives like VCU/GMU/JMU/CNU to make up for this, but NOVA families will still be resentful that their historical access to UVA/VT at cheap costs is being eroded.

BTW, W&M is also a very good school, and frankly W&M does make up some of the capacity shortfall caused by the lack of growth at UVA.  However, its tuition rates are much higher than the other in-state Virginia universities, so it is an imperfect solution.

Another point not mentioned anywhere is the residency standard applied by these states. MI and CA have very tough residency requirements, so it is difficult to get in-state status for graduate school (and undergraduate is not a realistic possibility).  It is pretty easy to get residency in VA (but still tough for undergrads); I remember many OOS classmates moving to Arlington for a year  while working in DC law firms and consultancies to get VA residency so they could go to UVA and VT grad schools. Many of them stayed here, to the benefit of NOVA. That doesn't happen as much in MI and CA (although that tech money/weather/lifestyle in NorCal helps keep folks there) and many U-Mich graduates go elsewhere to work (but they still give back to the school and give it a worldwide network).   In this way the Virginia state government is indirectly subsidizing human development in the state by bringing in more educated residents, and is a partial explanation for VA becoming more liberal/Blue over time.  
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