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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m the PP who noted that I find ND grads, while very academically accomplished and clearly bright, a little immature compared to other students I recruit. I find the level of defensiveness on this thread somewhat indicative of what I’m saying. It’s this narrowness where they are surprised by anyone who dies not share their values and life experiences.

I have met ND grads later in their careers who don’t strike me this way, but I mostly recruit people straight out of college or an MBA/JD. I think ND grads often require a little seasoning and my recommendation to anyone who goes us to seek out experiences during school or post grad that would offer that— working abroad, doing hands on non profit work, etc. I would not recommend going straight to grad school (though I rarely if ever recommend that).

The point is, it’s a good school with talented students. But it has some limitations due to the narrowness of the population from which it recruits, that many other top schools do not have.[/quote]

Truly remarkable.  A Notre Dame grad quickly jumped in and AGREED with you.  Then another, very politely, didn’t.  And that constitutes defensiveness?  To me it sounds like reasonably stated differences of opinion.  You know, like you might expect to hear about your own alma mater if you cared to disclose it.  [/quote]

Several people responded very quickly, most of whom disagreed even though I specifically said it was a good school with smart, talented students. I was surprised because I literally led with "ND is a great school" and then went on to explain some relatively minor things I have found common to very recent grads. The responses seemed more defensive than was merited for a fairly complimentary post, particularly the person who immediately leapt in to explain that all ND grads are "brilliant" which is overkill and obviously not true -- all schools have a mean, even Harvard and Yale.

I went to well-respected state university for undergrad and would be the first to offer or accept criticism of its shortcomings. I've actually offered those observations directly to the school's administration with whom I'm on good terms because of my position. I think it's important to be measured in praise for any school, and they all have flaws, including mine.[/quote]

This is what that person said, word for word:

"Our organization actually seeks out ND grads (along with other top universities).  We find the ND grads to be not only brilliant, but the easiest to work with..the least pompous.  Just a personal experience."

The opinion expressed -- that the poster's organization finds ND grads to be brilliant, easy to work with, and not pompous -- is just as valid and experience-based as your opinion that ND students are "immature."  There's nothing over the top about it at all.  You just happen to disagree with it.

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