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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults. [/quote]

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me".  I am looking to protect him and save [i]him[/i] from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice.  Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.[/quote]

He already is, PP, by his age. [/quote]

The hell he is.  Plenty of kids have gotten COVID and many have been hospitalized. [/quote]

the number of 5-11 year olds in the trial is so small (just increased to 3000) that they aren’t even really going to be able to compare the risks of Covid to the risks of vaccination. We’re likely not going to vaccinate our 9 year old until there’s more evidence - probably 3-4 months at a minimum after the initial EUA. And I’m sure I’m not alone. The uptake is going to be very slow for kids. [/quote]

The FDA is expanding the trial size, so I think they understand the desire to get this population vaccinated.  If you want to hold off on your 9 year old, that's your choice.  I know plenty of parents with 9-11 year olds that can't wait to get their kids vaccinated.[/quote]

+1 I have 9 and 11 year old daughters.  We did preventative full cardio workups for them last week (echocardiogram and EKG) and their cardiologist said he would definitely recommend the shot for kids under 12 if it were his kids.  We were already planning on it, but it was good to hear from a heart specialist in terms of risk vs. benefit.  [/quote]

Did the heart specialist cite the papers/studies that are the basis for this recommendation that you vaccinate your children? I'm concerned primarily about long-run risks, and the fact that the mRNA methodology is quite new. Without historical experience, how do we know that the mRNA approach is safe in the long-run? Please cite the papers/studies that indicate that long-run risk is minimal.[/quote]

If a cardiologist (that's what educated people call "heart specialists") states their professional recommendation, I don't ask him to parse the studies, because I didn't go to medical school.  I choose a competent professional and then follow their judgement.  If you want to find some osteopath who says that he "knows" that vaccines will make your heart beat slower, well, that's indicative of your own judgement.[/quote]

There is a lot of judgement in this response. Also not sure what the slam is on osteopathy (close relative is German osteopath that has a waitlist of patients at all times and it’s quite normal practice in Germany)…. Anyway, I believe in vaccinations of course but I do worry about MDs that are providing opinions - which is perfectly fine! - but that people take those are somehow the word of God on Covid, and I think there is still a lot of unknowns out there. So I think it’s helpful to inquire and look to MDs for advice, but there are a lot of differing opinions out there, and only time and data and research will really tell us anything more concrete. It’s getting comfortable with some unknowns, that’s where I think we are….[/quote]

I'm the PP who wrote about going to the cardiologist, but did not write the subsequent response against osteopaths.  I agree with you - MDs aren't the final word on this.  I solicited an opinion.  The reason I even mentioned this is because myocarditis is the main concern about the vaccine, and that is his specialty.  He is currently treating a few patients who had vaccine myocarditis, all of them expecting to fully recover, and also some pediatric heart patients due to Covid.  He said the risk of Cpvid to a kid's heart can be bad and while we haven't seen many lethal cases, he worries about some research showing damage via long Covid.  He said there are risks to both, but that given my children just had thorough heart scans, the risk to them from the vaccine in terms of their heart would be very low.  He was very careful not to say what the right decision is - I had to do the whole "if it were your kid, would you hesitate" thing, and he said he would not, but that people should go in with their eyes wide open.  [/quote]

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