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"...because the child was an innocent, the child went directly to God."

How disgusting!   So anyone God kills goes to heaven for eternity? If so, it helps explain why God killed so many people.  He was doing them a favor!

Thank you for writing these long responses, pp, it gives great insight into your thinking -- and God's
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DP. You are also disgusting. PP is trying to have a good faith argument with you, and s/he is doing it respectfully and patiently. Your responses have been disrespectful and even abusive. [/quote]

It’s honestly ok. I respect the opinions of other people. I enjoy discussing the Bible and Scripture and God. It strengthens my relationship with God and there’s always the chance that someday, someone might remember a conversation they had with me about God, or remember reading it, and it will spark something within them. Or it may not; either way, I put it out there to others in good faith.

“In the Gospel of Luke, the parable is as follows: He told them this parable. "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing.“

I doubt though that God in the OT killed 100 million plus people as Communist atheists have done. That’s not a number I’ve ever seen tossed around anywhere else. There’s no factual basis for that number.

This site made a good faith effort to use many tools and models and data sets to verify or try to suss out the demographic claims made in the Bible. Modelling biblical human population growth https://creation.com/biblical-human-population-growth-model I think they did a pretty good job. You can read about it and learn how they tried to do so, but in the end: “In conclusion, it is relatively easy to explain the modern world population, starting with the six Flood survivors, in c. 4,500 years. The number of people alive at the Tower of Babel event is more difficult to determine, but could easily have been in the thousands, or even tens of thousands, under certain conditions.

The long/short sojourn debate cannot be answered with demographic data, but there is no reason to reject the short sojourn from numerical data alone. And, it is impossible to estimate the number of people alive at the Flood, for we simply do not have the necessary demographic data.”

So although pp makes many claims about the number of people killed in the flood, or killed in multiple events in the Bible, the fact is nobody really knows. We are discussing ancient history, and there just isn’t enough left of that time period to give us anything reliable.

We do know Joshua had 30,000 soldiers at one point, and killed 12,000 Aians with that army. Although anything is possible, I heavily doubt 30,000 soldiers of Joshua’s army (at that time an awesome and overwhelming force) killed millions of people.

When someone here is very very very certain of things that very very very learned scholars of the Bible do not know, people who learned multiple languages to read scripture, people who have traveled around the ME and Holy Lands for decades, devoting their entire lives to scholarship, I don’t discard their words on the whole, but I know they aren’t discussing these topics seriously or from a place of great knowledge. I’ve seen some scholars give a population range of the people present at the Tower of Babel with a low number of 35,000 to a high number of 920,000 people. Another scholar says less than 10k. There are models and mathematical equations they use, and then they try to account for disease, famine, war, infant mortality, etc. One scholar says a little over 1 million people died in the flood in Genesis, one guy said billions were killed. There’s a huge variation of numbers given and multiple models and factors.

Joshua 8:25
The total of all who fell that day, including men and women, was 12,000 the entire population of Ai.

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Hopefully, while reading and contributing to this thread, you've come to realize that the words "apologist" and "apologetics" apply to you.[/quote]

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