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PP, I appreciate your thoughtful and reasonable reservations about the existence of God.  And I wish so much we could sit down over tea and discuss these ideas thoroughly...but I need to bring my kids to the dentist, and we are limited to this anonymous forum...

But quickly, your comment about the big guy in the sky shows that you are still somewhat influenced and perhaps limited by childish ideas of Who God is, what God is like.  He's not a bearded old man.  He's not like any myth or legend.  God is our name for the Unmoved Mover.  He is absolutely consistent with all our knowledge about physics and empirical thought and reason, because He created those things--He is the author of them.  He is the reason for laws of physics, because He made them.  His existence is reasonable and knowable, but also mysterious, because we are limited beings and He is unlimited;  we exist in time and He is outside of time;  we began and He has no beginning or end;  we are finite and He is infinite.

He has revealed some things about Himself to us through our reason (such as Aquinas' five proofs for His existence), and He has also revealed some truths about Himself throughout history (the one most meaningful to me personally is that God is a communion of persons, a Trinity), and He has written His Word on our hearts, so He is always with us.  So there is always hope for all of us, that we will get to know Him in this life.

What I hear in your words is a great deal of knowledge about Him already.  You find things meaningful, ordered, and beautiful.  Those are value judgments you have made.  Those indicate you are able to make distinctions between order and disorder, beauty and ugliness, meaning and mere existence.  The ability to make such choices is integral to our humanity.  Therein lies our free will.  And all of those aspects of your existence celebrate and reveal God to you.

The greatest scientists the world has ever known found their Creator through their work.  God made you, so He knows how to find you--He already has, always has.  Maybe someday, you'll find Him right back.  [/quote]

New poster here.

So, I've enjoyed reading your debate with the physicist. I'm an agnostic myself, and can get on board with your argument on the existence of a god insomuch as there is "something" or a "truth" that is out there. I refer to it as "the universe." However, I don't see where the logical leap that there is a god/truth/whatever leads to the Christian experience as outlined in the Bible.

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