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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pan/Omni is about sexual orientation. This generation of kids is in a much safer space to express where on that scale they fall then we were. My 12 year old is a Lesbian and it is no phase. To say that 12 yr olds don't know what they are attracted to is just wrong. I knew well before 12 that I was attracted to males. Why would it be any different for someone attracted to their same gender or any gender?

As for the gendered expectations comments. Yes women have less gendered expectations but don't ignore that they are still very there. Have you read any thread on here about what makes a woman attractive or how to get a guy? And boys have that even worse.  We still have a lot of work to do on this front as a society.

Just be open, accepting and listen.

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+1. I wonder if people who think it's weird for 12 year olds to know who they're attracted to remember what their childhoods were like? Maybe they were just later developers. I knew I was attracted to women by fifth grade. These aren't unusual times to have developed an idea of who you're in to.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s weird at all for any particular 12 year old to know who they’re attracted to. What I do think is weird is when a group of 6 friends from elementary school, who have all had crushes on boys and followed fairly standard gender norms as far as clothing, hit puberty and seemingly overnight 5 out of 6 of them identify as LGBTQ+ (using labels they saw on Tik Tok or something and have to Google themselves to make sure they know what they mean.) Seriously, if you haven’t spent time around adolescent girls lately, I’m not sure you understand what’s happening on a large scale.[/quote]

This! The same situation is happening in my DD teen group. Statistically, it’s impossible that they are all LGBTQ[/quote]

That’s not how statistics work.[/quote]
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Umm, that's actually [i]exactly[/i] how statistics work.  [/b]A random sample of any group shouldn't result in a near 100% rate of LGBTQ identification.

There's some big theater kid energy around a lot of these younger girls.  I'm sure some of them truly have gender dysphoria and this isn't a pose or phase that they'll drop, but for a lot of them it's exactly that and it will be discarded as they get older and be replaced by something else.  Declaring yourself pan/poly/trans is only edgy and cool until every single member of your peer group is doing the same thing.  In many cases this is how kids think (and I did it myself when I was younger), that this stance/identification is a fast way to establish a unique personality.  When I was younger it was about what kind of music you liked.  I still listen to some of the same music from my youth with affection but a lot of it has fallen to the wayside as I got older.  It happens. [/quote]

Right, except as you go on to make clear in the rest of your post, [b]this isn’t a random sample[/b]. It’s a group of friends. Sure, maybe some of it is following the crowd for the moment...or maybe it’s that these girls were drawn to each other because they sensed fellow travelers. So you can’t explain it away with “statistics.”[/quote]

She is so far up her own azz you are never going to reach her.

Hey my son plays basketball, lax and soccer... none of his friends are LGBTQ, so nobody is. Statistics don't lie. /s[/quote]

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