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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Regarding first generation admits, there tends to be a lot of overlap between this group, minorities, and Pell grant recipients. So, if the university says 20% of the admitted or attending class is first gen, 25% is minority, and 10% received Pell grants, the percent of unique students between these groups might be 28% (some white kids might have received Pell grants). However, just because these kids have these designations, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified.

The point is that elite schools are not really admitting more minorities. Instead, they are shifting the “descriptors” of the minorities they accept based on shifting ranking criteria and social pressures. For example, elite colleges used to admit more Blacks from wealthy backgrounds. These students essentially had much the same background as the white admits. However, when first gen and Pell grants became a thing, they started admitting more minorities with those attributes and fewer wealthy minorities. Now, there are lots of articles about poor minorities admitted to prestigious colleges that don’t feel like they “fit” with the culture. Anyway, be careful about your assumptions and how you read the data.  [/quote]

Agreed. A lot of this is marketing/ranking driven.[/quote]

+1. Agreed. Which is unfortunate. Public schools should be serving their state’s mission and the children of the state. They should not be worrying about USN&WR rankings.[/quote]

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+3. I would also feel better if I knew the first-generation studies we are supporting with our Virginia tax dollars are Virginians. California should take care for f it’s low-income, first-generation students with its xlnt UC system and more affordable Cal State system and community college system.  Virginians should be able to call upon its own schools to help the low-income, first generation students. So far neither uVA or VT are reporting those figures. For the same reason. I don’t think public universities should be engaging in yield protection. VT clearly did so this year —in a year in which those families really needed the I -state tech school for financial reasons. Historically, UVA did not but after tomorrow night’s results roll in we will have a better sense of that.[/quote]

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