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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)[/quote]

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant.  Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question.  Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

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Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.[/quote]

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It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against. [/quote]

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent.   All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in.  Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

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Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians?  It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents  could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

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Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities. [/quote]

Exactly.

The other pp is making false equivalencies with the Germany tax analogy.  Would Germany only make Americans pay MORE taxes would be more accurate.  Would they tax another minority that immigrated there MORE than they would tax themselves for their own reparations?

And as the above poster stated, reparations are completely different from affirmative action.

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Which is it -- do you disagree with affirmative action, or do you just quibble with the negative impact on Asian Americans?  Those are two entirely different arguments.  I suspect a lot of white Americans like me who support affirmative action in admissions are not on board with a different, higher standard for Asians.

Also, as a Jew of German descent, I'm not at all clear what PP meant by "Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based."  Jews were a group that was targeted for extreme discrimination and genocide in Germany.    African Americans are a group that were enslaved and suffered treatment that had a genocidal effect as part of the industrial slave trade, suffered apparthied treatment via federally enforced segregation through the 1960s and continue to suffer from devastating systemic racism -- particularly in law enforcement --- in 2021.  It seems PP is trying to draw some kind of odd distinction between Jews as a group and Black Americans as a group.  I wonder why that is?
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