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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Guy here.  I'd just like to echo that what you read about it represents the extreme side of things, which doesn't represent the majority of people who read and take advice from it.  There are generations of boys growing up without strong father figures or older brothers teaching them how to operate in the world.  They have grown up in front of computers and do not know what it means to be a man.

It's impossible to explain this to women in a way that they can understand so I won't go further.  We don't hate women.  For myself, I never knew how to be a man based on my upbringing.  Now I do and am happy.[/quote]

Female here. This is a very good post. I think a lot of women don’t like this ‘red pill’ stuff because it exposes their really toxic behaviors and teaches men how not to be used by women[/quote]

People are awful to each other in all kinds of ways all the time. Every combination of genders. If you think women are uniquely awful it's only because you've never dated men. Are there behaviors that are more common? Sure. For instance, a guy is more likely to murder you, but they certainly don't have a monopoly on it. No one is saying "oh gosh, women are never terrible to men, and men should never advocate for themselves." It's the specific tropes of redpill that are dehumanizing and make men who are already not very self-aware even less self-aware. I was in an abusive relationship where I was scared of him afterward, and I didn't come out of that generalizing about men, I did a lot of work exploring my own role in it and how to make better choices. But some guy does favors for his hot female friends who he thinks he's entitled to sleep with, and that's some kind of justification for hating women? No, eff that. [/quote]

I think you are missing the point of red pill-type theories in some ways, which IME invariably tell men that it is stupid and ineffective to do favors for women in an attempt to secure sex.  Correcting misguided behavior in this way reduces, not increases, misogyny, and it’s simply true that there are some men with sufficiently poor social skills that that kind of thing needs to be explicitly explained in ways many find distasteful.  The whole red pill phenomenon is really just a communal attempt to correct the very weak socialization some boys received due to absent male role models.

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