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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Returning to the original question, I would not spend out of state tuition to send my kids for undergraduate studies at one of University of California schools (such as Berkeley or UCLA) due to terrible budget concerns and overcrowding that cause [b]kids to take 6 years to graduate, on average.    [/b][/quote]

I don’t understand this comment. [b]The four year grad rate at UCLA and Berkeley is 77% and 75% [/b]respectively. With the exception of UVA and W&M, that’s right on par with other top publics. [/quote]

yeah but 77% is Terrible. [b] UVa is like 94%. [/quote]
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I don't think UVA 4 year is closer to 90%, which is excellent.  It is one of UVA's strongest points in USNWR ranking.  I'd cut some slack to Berkeley (and more so schools like MIT) because they have more students in some difficult majors (e.g. engineering) that are tougher to finish in 4 years.

Where is there proof that Berkeley and UVA are counting completions differently?  The Common Data Set is supposed to make reporting more standardized.

Niche has a question on whether students agree it is easy to get the classes you want.  UCLA (top ranked public in USNWR) is only 32% positive, Berkeley is 39%, UVA is 50%.  These are all well below top privates, but shows UVA with an advantage there.

I think you should not send your kid OOS Berkeley or UCLA if you expect an undergraduate experience that is like what similar privates would be at the same cost level.  You kid will get the same experience as in-state students, which is a stripped down model.  These schools first and foremost focus on research and graduate programs.  Undergraduate programs suffer in some ways for that.  If you are OK with that fine, but you could argue you are getting a Honda in some respects for a BMW price.  [/quote]

UVA is 94% as of 2018. https://www.cappex.com/articles/blog/government-publishes-graduation-rate-data[/quote]

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