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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are either atheist or agnostic, not both.  If you waiver you are an agnostic, not atheist.  [/quote]

Sigh.

Again, nope. It has nothing to do with "wavering".  It has to do with what you claim to know.  "Gnostic" refers to knowledge, not belief.

Go back and read the thread, with particular attention to the cartoons, if you wish to understand what the vast majority of atheists believe.[/quote]

You cannot be both.  You are either atheist or agnostic.  I am an atheist.  Gnositc has nothing to do with anything.[/quote]

Thank you. The whole gnostic thing just muddies the waters. But underneath the cartoons, the distinction between 100% knowledge/certainty and 99% knowledge/certainty is still the fundamental point. And [b]even the cartoon makes it clear you can’t be both[/b]. [/quote]

And you base your understanding on the contents of a CARTOON??  To me, it seems like you are an atheist who does not know the meaning of "agnostic" which is "not knowing"  while "atheist" is "not believing" and you can certainly be both.

Maybe it's time to realize that you were misinformed and that now you're learning something new.[/quote]

You seem really threatened. It was an "atheist" who first posted the cartoon saying you can't be both atheist and agnostic. [/quote]

I posted the first cartoon, and it makes it clear you can be both and explains how.  I am both atheist and agnostic.

[img]http://www.stanleycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/atheism.jpg[/img][/quote]

The cartoon has already been disected and ridiculed above, by other atheists. Why don't you let OP go back to trying to get input. [/quote]

Why don't you stop ignoring facts?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

https://books.google.com/books?ei=0Xt_T5mMH8KUiQLrlq3HAw&id=FI7ZAAAAMAAJ&dq=atheism+the+case+against+god&q=agnostic+theist#search_anchor

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/arminnavabi/atheism-vs-agnosticism-what-difference

[img]https://www.atheistrepublic.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog-featured-image/public/Atheism-vs-Agnosticism.jpg?itok=AsIOTNU4[/img]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmX9RVeNkU

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/theory-knowledge/201410/why-i-am-agnostic-atheist

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/if-youre-agnostic-youre-probably-an-atheist/

[i]The most common misconception about atheism is that all atheists are 100% convinced that no godlike entity exists anywhere in the universe. This is false.[/i]

https://atheism.wikia.org/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic

[i]People sometimes say stuff like, “I’m an agnostic” when the other person thinks they’re closer to a weak atheist. Alternatively people call themselves atheists while others think they’re agnostics. Then people can get accused of lying when they didn’t intend to deceive anyone. Below are examples of different use of atheist and agnostic:- Richard Dawkins argues that there almost certainly is no god and is considered an atheist. Bertrand Russell also believed that god is very unlikely but called himself an agnostic at least part of the time, [1] .

People generally hate it if they get called liars despite trying to be honest. So at the very least we should take care to remember that other people may use these two words with a different meaning from the meaning we assume.[/i]

I could go on all day with links.

You can say what the word means to YOU, but you can't say what someone else believes, just the way you can't tell a Mormon he isn't Christian or a Buddhist that he isn't religious.  It's not your choice. I am Atheist and Agnostic both.  I am not making the claim "no gods exist" because I know I cannot prove a negative so I do not make that claim.

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