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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh no we have a SJW on dcum going on and going that people dislike the movie because of the female lead! That is what Disney is using as their excuse and they even attack the fans with it. The reality is that critics of the new trilogy have voices valid objections, and we can see that JJ and Disney know they screwed up with this trilogy due to lack of direction. Trilogy is supposed to have a story arc and they had no outline and nothing planned ahead. That is why JJ had to spend time fixing things and had a frantic movie this time. If it was not for Riddley and Driver being great actors, this movie would be much worse off. They uplift it. 
We always knew Luke's and Anakin's motivaion for doing what they did. Luke's aunt and uncle were burned to crisp by the Empire. Anakin was a slave and wanted to save Padme(turns out from himself, and his dark side was shown in the AoC.) One movie Rey is set to hear Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, next one she is nobody, third one she is a Palpatine! Lack of direction in these movies is what fans object to and critics this time too! Ridley is a great actor, she did the best she could in a role that had no motivation at all. Kylo had a better story arc. The fact is the did not make this a new not connected trilogy, they played it as an end to all the Skywalker Star Wars movies, you can't just ignore everything that came before. It is poor writing for kick only to invent a new force skill to get your our of poor writing.[/quote]

I dunno. The only thing I think that was ignored were the dead ends from movie 8. The rest of it was tied in well.

I though there was a much bigger continuity gap between the prequels and eps 4-6 than between 7-9 and the rest. [/quote]
What were the gaps in 1-6?[/quote]

The biggest gaps are the major plot points in the first three that are just forgotten in 4-6. It's jarring to see how little of the prequels appear in 4-6, yet there is only a 20-year gap, supposedly. It makes no sense, and undermines the plots in 4-6.

Examples:

- Midiclorians
- The Jedi are a "forgotten" order in a New Hope but Ep 3 ended 20 years earlier in a world with droids. Universal amnesia?
- Obi-Wan forgetting entirely about the droid he spent years with 20 years earlier
- Minor, but it bugged me: R2s rocket powers (wtf, like he forgot he had rockets?)

There are a lot more, this is a tiny subset. And yet, all of that forgotten,  but Leia remembered her mother who died in childbirth.

It's painful to watch eps 1-3 then 4-6, but it's not nearly as bad to watch 4-6 then 7-8 (and now 9). I find the first three virtually unwatchable.

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Agree on the time lapse being weird. Plus Chewbacca?! That fought in the Clone Wars and helped rescue Yoda?! Midichlorians are not a plot hole, imo, just a bad writing choice. Lei remembering? I forgot that, did she really? Did Obi Wan really forget about R2D2 and C3PO or do we pretend he just choose not to say something?[/quote]

Yes, Chewbacca is another one. I mean, the collective amnesia is too much to take.

Leia remembered her mother as sad and beautiful, or something like that. I think it was in episode 6.[/quote]

How do you know Obi Wan just didn’t say anything? He kept a ton from Luke.[/quote]

There is a difference between just not saying anything and actively lying. Either there are huge plot holes or Obi Wan was a massive.liar.[/quote]

He did lie — to a ton of people. He changed his name, told Luke his father died when that was only true “from a certain point of view.”

How can you guys forget how manipulative he is?[/quote]

You know, I could buy this if Obi-Wan was the only character who forgot or didn't mention events that just happened 20 years previously. But they ALL did. And that gap in continuity between the prequels and the rest is so much worse than the continuity between 7-9 and the rest.

I think the first three movies are practically unwatchable, however, so I just pretend they don't exist anyhow.[/quote]

You forget how few characters we meet in the original trilogy and how thorough the clone wars destruction was across the galaxy. We meet a small set of characters who were not necessarily exposed to all this historical knowledge. Not to mention the clone wars destroyed any semblance of interconnectedness throughout the galaxy. There WAS no government connecting the planets at that point, facilitating the dissemination of historical knowledge.

If you’re going to get upset at discontinuity between 1-3 and 4-6 you have to engage with 1-3 enough to understand why it set up the events of 4-6. You clearly don’t understand the prequels enough.[/quote]

:roll:  :roll:

Oh for heaven's sake. I watched the prequels well over a hundred times (and the Clone Wars) because I had multiple kids that unfortunately loved them. I could probably quote them to you, even though I find them unwatchable (what you do for love). The continuity gap is really striking if you watch them all in order (which I have done multiple times, except of course for 9), and if you watch them over and over, as I did. Maybe they "set up the events," at least for a half-hearted, squinty, don't think too hard version of "set up the events." But if you suffer through them like I did, what you mostly see are the giant gaps.

Clone Wars was great, though. [/quote]

Is your main problem that people aren't going around talking about the clone wars constantly in a new hope?

There are SO many reasons why it's perfectly reasonable why that wouldn't have happened. I think you needed to have paid attention better and maybe thought for a second about 1) who is actually in a new hope, and 2) how big the star wars galaxy actually is. [/quote]

Umm in Force Awakens, Rey and Finn act like the Force and Luke Skywalker doesn’t exist and that Luke is some sort of myth, despite him being the hero of the Rebelloon only 25-30 years prior too.

So why do you have a problem with Kenobi barely mentioning the Clone Wars and there barely being Jedi in the 30 year gap between the prequels and it have a problem with the original trilogy and sequel trilogy gap??

Also, I rather LIKED that the prequel era felt completely different from the originals. The prequel showed more of a royal aspect to the galaxy while the originals was supposed to show the galaxy as beat up because of the Empire. The biggest issue with the sequels is that it doesn’t try to become its own era and instead is just a copy and paste of the original trilogy with the Rebels vs Empire version 2.[/quote]

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