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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think it's a good attack line on Warren, maybe not so much Bernie. Why is a politician attacking an opponent so shocking to you?[/quote]
Why is it a good attack on Warren but not Sanders?[/quote]

Because she comes off as more "elitist" than Bernie does. It's reflected in their core voting bases; Sanders more working class, Warren DCUM college-educated wives lol.[/quote]

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Yeah Warren’s background is anything but elitist. [/quote]
Let’s give the PP the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she or he genuinely doesn’t know?[/quote]

I'm that PP. Nope she can come across as elitist and it can be effective to cast her as such. Harvard, professor/academia, "I have a plan", "I know better than you", schoolmarmy/didactic speaking tone, government bureaucrat is always the answer. It could be politically effective to cast her as such. It just needs to stick; doesn't need to tell the full story. Biden has trotted out the same attack.

Bernie just comes across as angry old man and I don't see charges of elitism sticking to him as much. [/quote]
You are right.

It is super duper elitist to grow up basically working class in Oklahoma with a janitor dad and three brothers who served in the military, to marry and drop out of college at 19, to have a baby at 22 and return to a commuter college and almost drop out again due to a lack of affordable childcare, to go to a public law school, to divorce because your spouse doesn’t support your working, to work your way up through academia to teach at Harvard, to be the foremost advocate for bankruptcy reform, and to found the CFPB. You’re right. Very elitist. No ordinary person can relate to any of that.[/quote]

Did you not read? It's about the efficacy of the attack line, not the reality. In politics, perception is reality. Don't be so sensitive.
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I’m not sensitive, friend. I just like facts.[/quote]

Politics may not be your game then, my friend.[/quote]
It’s not my game. It’s my job.[/quote]

Then you should know about how "facts" work in politics. Look at what happened to Kerry vs. Bush. Perception is reality, my dear friend.[/quote]

Warren is perceived as a warm and smart person who can make arguments crystal clear. People agree with her when they hear her speak. You are just parroting right wing talking point.[/quote]

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Hopefully you realize that perceptions vary across people. I don’t perceive Warren as warm and relatable, at all. She is academically, lawyerly smart, which I find very off-putting (I have my alphabet soup including a Ph.D., I am not against education, I am against lording it over others in a didactic, arrogant way.) I am also amazed, given her supposed understanding of economics (by her own admission she started out as a conservative), did she just forget all of it, or just found that populism sells better in the current environment, so doubled down on it. Surely she understands that a ton of the Dodd Frank provisions, and the CFPB fines and findings only resulted in legitimate bank lending drying up for the people who needed it the most and were forced to resort in larger numbers to payday lending and other, unregulated forms. Those are the kinds of things I have a problem with - Elizabeth Warren preaching social justice and all kinds of freebies to majority of people who don’t have a fundamental understanding of economics and how someone always pays for the freebie, restrictions on the supply of a good in demand will always result in worse distortions if there is unmet demand, and you can’t practically tax wealth (though it would be nice.)[/quote]

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