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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My understanding is that Matthew and John, who wrote the 1st and 4th gospels did actually know Jesus, and were eyewitnesses - but if anyone has contrary information I'd be interested in hearing it.[/quote]

That's cute that you think the bible is a reliable historical source.  :lol:

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Not sure what you mean here -- if the question is whether Jesus was an actual historical person, I'd think the gospels of Matthew and John, if they actually were there at the time, tends to shed light on that question unless you believe they were fabricate d out of [b]while cloth[/b].  From what I've read [b]most biblical scholars[/b] deem them authentic.[/quote]

:oops: "whole cloth"[/quote]

I'd be surprised if "most biblical scholars" didn't find them "authentic".  :lol:

But why should anyone care what "most biblical scholars" think?

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For the same reason you would care what anyone who has [b]devoted their life to study of a given subject [/b]would think?

Or is expertise something we openly don't care about in America anymore?[/quote]

Who are these scholars? Bible beaters from random Christian universities. Seems like that might make them a tad biased. Pass.

The fact is there are no independent, reliable sources and no archaeological evidence. So maybe he was a real person, maybe not. We have no way to know for sure.
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Not really.  Multiple historical scholars who are atheists have said that Jesus existed.  [b]It's just a historical fact.[/b][/quote]

Uh, no it's not a "fact", just a theory. There is no evidence that he did (or didn't) exist.

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Actually there is a TON of evidence that Jesus existed.

Why am I even wasting time arguing with someone who can’t be bothered to google this and seems completely ignorant is beyond me.[/quote]

What evidence?

No primary, contemporary accounts. 
No archaeological evidence.

It's certainly possible that a man named Jesus existed, but there isn't a way to prove it with the information we have today. 
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NP. You just conveniently waved away Matthew and John because, I guess, they didn’t get a Roman notary public to somehow certify their accounts. We get it, you refuse to accept any evidence, even when it’s strong.  [/quote]

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