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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What has happened to make men this way? [/quote]

Feminism made marriage a shit deal for men, and allowed men to get sex without it. Men are just playing by the rules women set.[/quote]

Life for women before feminism was terrible and no bed of roses.  Feminism is good.  It however also requires women to become empowered, independent and mature.  The list above is great for men and women.  Become worthy of good things.  Remove the abundance/lack of sex from the reasons you want to get married and things become clearer.  Develop as a human being so that when you marry and have children, you have  a better chance to build something worthwhile in your professional and personal life.

- PP who made the list above.
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Feminism always exaggerated, and continues to exaggerate, how "terrible" life was for women before feminism. (Life in past decades was terrible for men, too, by the way. My grandfather had to leave school at 12 and go to work. Before that the men in my family were all farm laborers and miners. Did they have great options and choices in life? Nope. They had daily back-breaking labor. But at least their white privilege was some consolation, right?) Whatever else feminism has done, it has not made women happy. But if you still think it's "good", whatever.

Even if one agrees that life before feminism was terrible, that is irrelevant. Feminism has made marriage a shit deal for men. If women want to get married... and apparently they do... perhaps it is time to re-evaluate the parts of feminism that make marriage unattractive to men.[/quote]

Look, I'll cop to being miserable as a modern woman (person). But you know what would be MORE miserable? Being forced to get married at 22, no birth control, 6 kids, can't work, can't have title to my own home, DH can beat & rape me ... no thanks!

btw, the women who get married and stay married most frequently are the highly educated, liberal, most likely to be feminist women.  Wonder why that is?  [/quote]

Where are you getting this stat? Most of the still married women I know are not liberal. It's not related in my mind.

Also just like now there are good and bad men, who still rape etc. there were good men. Not all were bad and beat their wives. [/quote]

Marriage rates are higher among the college educated, and divorce rates are lower.  The college educated tend to be more liberal.  These are basic demographic facts, and if you dont know them, you shouldn't be opining on the generational impacts of feminism.  [/quote]

Where are you getting these facts? Seriously. I’m college educated myself with a graduate degree. I have read that the south has higher divorce rates but I believe that has to do with early marriages, not because it’s a conservative liberal thing. I don’t see the attribute. Also if you take conservatives like Mormons, they don’t fit this narrative. They have common goals so the divorce rate is lower. More education does not mean still married. It does mean choosing better which ‘likely’ to stay married but the divorce rate is still the same. Also happier cannot be proven with a stat.

Again more to my point feminism, the part of empowering women in terms of independence is a great thing. Even taking a conservative view women live longer and they should know how to support themselves IF need be. I have reaped the benefits myself. But what is the end game of feminism? To be like men? Do I want a husband or do I just want to be the husband? Have sex like a man, work like the man, AND still have to bear kids? Be CEO and then wake up at night with the baby? Ugh what misery. OP’s SIL thinks she can be like a man but then complain because she wants a storybook marriage. This is modern feminism gone wrong. Why marry right? Men are useless is what feminism thinks. [/quote]

Ummm, you marry an equal partner so you (the woman) are not in charge of all of the household and kids.

Or, you skip all that and enjoy the single life.[/quote]

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