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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m always surprised at how we have become the country of “its hard so we don’t do it.”

Single payer is hard so we won’t do it
Taxing rich people is hard so we won’t do it
Making equitable education is hard so we won’t do it
Building up infrastructure is hard so we won’t do it

What is this??[/quote]

Funny. 
I find it hard to believe how so many choose to demonize the wealthy.  
Like Howard Schultz, for example.  He worked to make his millions.  
Keep on, folks.  The truly wealthy have options.  They can choose to leave.  
Much like they did in France.  [/quote]

[b]No one is demonizing the wealthy - we are demonizing the wealth gap. [/b]Rising wealth gap is destructive to a country. I pay property tax for a property I bought after working 30 years. So I do not see a reason for super rich people to pay wealth tax on their diamonds, yachts, and planes they have worked for. Its okay if some wealthy folks leave America for this reason (although I can guarantee you that most would not). It's not like the wealthy people are sharing their wealth or obligation to maintain this country anyway. All the laws that the wealthy support is regressive and detrimental to the long term viability of this country. So, I do not care if they leave.[/quote]

Could have fooled me. The wealth gap is being blamed on the wealthy. Democrats believe wealth is a zero-sum game, that the wealthy are wealthy because they somehow cheated the money from those people who are poor. Just look at the posts that started this thread - describing wealthy people as hoarders, implying that there is a fixed amount of wealth to be hoarded. Yes, you pay property tax, so do wealthy people. [/quote]

The wealth gap is a result of the unfair rules of the game in the economic system we have set up. For billionaires that convince themselves that their wealth is 100% earned and no one else who helped create those profits is entitled to a larger share, yes they deserve to be demonized

No one is demonizing bill Gates for becoming a billionaire then giving his money away to save lives and improve education[/quote]

Name off some of those unfair rules. I mean, what gave Microsoft an unfair advantage over Apple in the late 80s, and what gave Apple an unfair advantage over Microsoft in the late 2000s. What gave Amazon an unfair advantage over Barnes and Noble, and what gave Five Guys an unfair advantage over your local favorite burger joint. No one is entitled to anything that they have not earned, and what they earn is determined by market value of their work output.[/quote]

NP bYou are discussing something different from the point being made. Question is not whether the rules of the road are equivalent for apple and Microsoft or even a disruptive small business. The question is who was responsible for that wealth?  The small group of executives that were in place during the wealth creation of the company?  The employees including the technical experts that are creating the technology?  The US system of free enterprise that allows people to build these types of creativity and enterprise (in liberal hellhole California, natch).  I believe the wealth belongs in different percentages to all the above groups and the rework of this has to be achieved by labor laws and taxes.

The road [/quote]

Not discussing anything different at all. The PP specifically claims that the wealth gap is due to "unfair rules". It's then perfectly logical and on topic to ask for these unfair rules to be named and to be shown how they are unfair. Now if you disagree with the PP about "unfair rules" being the cause of the wealth gap, then we can move on to discuss what is in fact responsible for wealth and therefore gaps in wealth. As to the proper share of wealth allocation between managers, executives, technical experts, employees, and etc, I believe the free market sorts that out pretty well without the need for government intervention. The market is very good at paying people for their economic contribution. Aside from that, the US is *EXCEPTIONALLY* good at increasing the productivity of, as evident through our GDP. I've noted many times to people from other countries, that the strength of the US economy is only partly in the extremely smart people leading and working at companies like Google or Amazon, but the fact that other than a very small minority, vast majority of people can find a job in which they can be economically productive. [/quote]

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