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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]More of my summary from Reihan Salam:
-as for illegal immigration, what we really have is TWO systems for entering. We label them legal and illegal. Some people would say we have a legal system and ‘everything else,’ and “they should go through the legal system!!” But it truly is two fully fledged systems. This is the reality.

I’ll again leave it as this point, because this point is a massive crux. It’s my opinion, and perhaps his, that you’ll never stop the illegal system. Impossible. The wall stinks. Limited walls and patrolling makes sense. You’ll limit the illegal system, but the wall still doesn’t stop the system. Everify does. Tighter employment controls, especially punishment for companies who knowingly participate in the illegal system. [/quote]

You may not be able to eliminate the illegal system but you CAN pass laws to make it massively unattractive. If being here illegally means no work, no education for the kids, no access to basic services, then you'll see it dwindle. That's my opinion.  [/quote]

That’s something many people can agree on.

Can we all just discount the wall, however? Can we ALL agree on that? Something called return on investment. For the cost, it will have little effect on the second system of immigration. [/quote]

Walls work. Yes, there will be people digging under them and climbing over but slowing them down is good on its own and it will give border patrol time to get there and deport them back to Mexico.

There was a teen who just broke her back from jumping an 18 foot fence. She want going anywhere until Border Patrol came to get her.[/quote]

So, then the existing walls work. Maybe shoring up some sections is a good idea. 
But a WALL is impossible/not worth the cost.

I want to be sure you understand the return on investment. I know it’s basic but a lot of people even who own businesses don’t get it. 
Business-wise, if hiring 4 more technicians, costs you $250k, but the business sees a bump of $350k in revenue, you should hire the techs. 
If you have an investment idea that costs $1 mil, but over x period it will only bump up revenue by $800k, then don’t do it.

Bad roi to cover the cover the entirety of the S border, even if it were possible. Which it’s not because of Geography 101[/quote]

What are you even talking about? If you only put in sections of border wall, it will only drive people further and further out to where you've stopped building. It will never stop. The wall must cover every single inch of the border that people are capable of walking.

What ever we end up paying for that will be worth the ROI of not paying for hospital bills of anchor babies, schooling of illegal and anchor children, government assistance, lawsuits, dealing with child camps, and the uncalculated costs of the negatives.[/quote]

1) have you seen the cost estimates?
2) how do you count for the inches that cross the rio grande, topographically tricky areas, or cut off ranchers land? Do your research. I’m serious, don’t come back until you have looked this up.
3) they’ll get over or under it anyway. They have in San Diego where there are walls. 
4) again, the cost. It costs less to fund anchor babies than to build every inch. 
5) there will still be a secondary, illegal system of immigration due to overstays from those who FLY over the wall with legal papers.

I don’t mean to take you down. Trying to keep it civil, but man you are wrong. Go read some more, then come back with a better idea.
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