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MCPS teacher here, most times these kids are not literate in Spanish because they come from poor countries seeking a better life. Which means their families are barely literate and they often have had little to no formal education in their own language. Similar to poor minority children here who speak broken english due to their circumstances. The illegal immigrants coming here have no formal education, many times it’s generationally. It’s not the legal immigrants who are sucking up ESOL services because the legal ones usually have had enough formal education to go through the US legal process by-themselves or with a company. Many legal immigrants are white collar workers. Let’s not pretend that these children and their families are literate. OP, do something now, document everything and push the principal and teacher to change their practices. If not go up the email chain. MCPS will usually create a policy in the background for professional staff in the background, even if you think it’s rolling along slow.[/quote]

Posting-in-bold-MCPS-teacher PP, I think it's particularly disturbing that you as a teacher characterize the language spoken by "poor minority children" (I'm assuming that you mean poor US-born black children?) as "broken English". It's not.  "Broken English", charitably, is English spoken by a non-native speaker. But poor-US-born black children children are native English speakers. It's just that the version of English they speak isn't Standard American English.

If you're interested, here is a good piece you could read that addresses the issue from both a linguistic and a teaching perspective:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

If you're not interested, of course, then you're not interested.[/quote]

I'm a linguistic academically and for my career, and I concur with what the "MCPS teacher" wrote.

As an aside, I have noticed you posting a lot with the same pattern of attacking semantics or the actual person than responding to what that individual actually wrote in his/her key point(s). 
Plus, didn't someone accuse you of reporting for deletion lots of posts today. 
Not the best way to have a real discussion here. [/quote]

NP. What's your point? You also think we should just not educate these children who come from other countries? That will be best for our society? [b]What if we said the same for children with special needs since they require more teacher attention and different strategies? If you don't feel the same way about both groups then you're just xenophobic.[/b] That is my key point. [/quote]

+100[/quote]

People say that all the time about kids with disabilities.  Then in both cases, they then use fact that someone hasn't developed skills as an excuse for further exclusion.

It's rare to find someone who is xenophobic and not also ableist, or the opposite, unless they're directly impacted by immigration or by disability.  Selfish people who can't read research, and fear people who are different from them, generally fear both.[/quote]

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