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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades. 
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Excellent job at stating the obvious.  And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics.  Utter imbecile.  [/quote]

The car, plane, light bulb, internet, nuclear power all must have been invented by Asians. They are so smart [/quote]

You're embarrassing yourself with your stupidity but you're likely too stupid to realize it.  Oh, and if you have wifi in your trailer you might want to research gunpowder, the compass and printing

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FFS, people getting into a pissing contest about which race is smarter.

In the US, every aspect of society - from politics to mainstream media - has been controlled by white people. So, it's kind of hard for non white people to take on leadership roles historically  Bamboo ceiling is just one example. That is changing, slowly. Look at some of the leaders in high tech; more and more Asian Americans entering politics.  More and more Asians in our media.

Asian American population is small, so it's kind of hard for Asian americans to stand out as leaders.  Maybe Harvard should allow in more Asian Americans so more of them will be trained by Harvard to enter into leadership roles.  Now, there's an equalizer.  We have enough white people in leadership roles, many who are corrupt and inept.[/quote]

there are less jews than asians in the us but there are a shit ton of jews in leadership positions.

how do you explain that?[/quote]

True.

Jews are a tiny minority but exercise disproportionate influence because they work damn hard.

I'd also like to point out that the Asian population was also incredibly small till fairly recently (a generation ago). Complaining that Asians had it hard because whites controlled all the roles overlooks that up through the 1980s the US was 80+ (and even approaching 90% in the 1920s-1960s) white. Well, d'oh.

Anyway, I am not sure if Asians have a problem today[b]. Look at the ranks of leading doctors, lawyers, venture capitalists, business owners, there are now many, many, Asians. It takes a new wave of immigrants time to build their way up to the top. It always has. We forget that the Jews, Italians, Poles, etc, were once derided as non properly "white" ethnic groups and they worked their way to the top.[/b]

The African American experience, however, is indisputably different. It's more problematic. It's more complex. I am a bit on the fence on this because there are pros and cons to affirmative actions for African Americans but I've concluded that deeply flawed it is, it's likely better than the alternatives and so be it.

I do fully understand why Asian Americans may feel bitter to being held to the highest standards in the application pools for the top colleges and universities, but on the other hand, perhaps they should be thankful that they don't need affirmative action. [/quote]
well, according to some people Asian Americans don't contribute to society and don't take leadership positions so that's why they are not as "attractive" to Ivies.

Obviously, there are many Asian Americans who are not only innovative but do take on leadership roles.  It does indeed take time. The problem with the admissions is that Asian Americans have to have everything that a URM or white student has, PLUS more.  That is where the discrimination comes in. Why does one group of students have to outperform in EVERY way compared to another group? How is that fair?

As my white DH says, Asian Americans are a victim of their own success.  I suppose if the group wasn't as successful, over represented in elite universities, then maybe Asian American students would also be held to a lower standard like the others.[/quote]

The arrogance is stunning and I have heard it from so many posters here.  I guess it’s not ok to stereo type Asians as being “robots” but it’s perfectly fine to stereotype whites as stupid and lazy and URM as unqualified.  Stereotypes are all over the place.  If you are opposed to them, you shouldn’t be using them either.[/quote]
finally caught on did you.  Yes, stereotypes are ugly, and some in Harvard admissions seem to follow the stereotype, and many defenders of Harvard stereotype Asian American students. Hopefully, they will stop with the stereotypes.[/quote]

So it's Ok for Asians to stereotype but no one else?  Noted.[/quote]

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