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[quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingSoccerDad][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“Emotionally Over-Invested Parents” should be the title of this thread. [/quote]

Passion for a sport is a good thing.  The over-invested parents are the ones buying into the sh*t and kissing up ruthlessly.  The normal ones are the ones fed up with the BS.

And, you have got the premise and message of this thread completely wrong.   Parents are tired of the myth.  They are tired of the crooks.  They are tired of coaches taking the love of sports from kids and shoving it down their throats beginning with mini-kickers at age 3.

Let the coaches and Club officials and US youth soccer crooks come out and start bashing parents. That's the MO.[/quote]

OMG, it is youth soccer. Get a grip. There is no reason to be "fed up with the BS". It is a game that your kids play nothing more. If your kid chose Piano or dance would be so concerned about the State of American piano playing? [/quote]

I think you belong on the 'music forum'.  This is a soccer forum.  And the discussion isn't YOUTH soccer based  it's the market for ADULT soccer, the World Cup, etc.   Kid activities are hashed around in the 'elementary school' forum, btw.[/quote]

The title of this thread is "Travel soccer parents - you’re the reason US soccer is failing", the topic is youth based. Let the kids play for the love of the game, find the right training for your kid and what happens happens. Travel soccer is not intended to to develop a "National Team". It is intended for kids to enjoy playing soccer at a competitive level that fits their talent level.

We do not have kids play piano or any other recreational activity with the intention of being a part of a nationalized system of talent collecting. So yes, stop worrying about World Cup, none of our kids will ever play in it. With each generation the game is growing and will do so organically.

Just enjoy watching your kid play and stop worrying about the international game. [/quote]

Nope. Travel soccer segregates kids whose parents can afford to pay for it. It has little or nothing to do with athletic ability, as proved out by poor kids from marginal countries who put US in the shade.[/quote]

Are you suggesting that US Soccer should be a Socialist System where travel parents with money have to subsidize the poor so they can play soccer?  In other countries, youth soccer is heavily subsidized by Professional Teams with very deep pockets. MLS & NWSL are poor due to low public interest, game attendance and TV deals. Move to Venezuela if your kid has talent and you don’t want to pay for travel soccer. They have a great socialist system. [/quote]

[b]I'm tempted to respond with the clip of the Danish politician refuting the notion that socialist countries like Denmark are as miserable as Venezuela[/b], but let's correct a few other things:

1. Average MLS attendance is higher than most of the leagues in the world, and it's not far behind Italy, Spain and France. (Germany and England are in a class of their own.) The average is actually higher than the averages for the NBA and NHL, though those leagues play more games and have smaller venues.

2. Attendance for the NWSL is many times that of Germany's league: https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2017-2018/1/

Even the Women's Champions League drew far less than the NWSL until Lyon got rolling and attracted Portland-level crowds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_UEFA_Women%27s_Champions_League_knockout_phase

And yet a lot of these teams are able to pay decent money.

A lot of this is sponsorship, some spilling over from the men's side. Some clubs got creative -- a few years ago, a lot of Wolfsburg players were employed at the town's big employer and team sponsor, VW.

Then you have national scouting and development systems, some of it with direct and indirect government support.

So the point Sunil Gulati often made is somewhat valid. We're not going to get the same government support here that they have in some countries. (I've been pitching a story on how Universal Basic Income might help athletes and artists succeed, but that's another thread.) So if someone wants to pay $3,000 to play travel soccer and the club can subsidize people who'd be left out, that seems OK. The only problem is that the families who can't afford the money often can't afford the time, either. Those of us who can are self-employed or run our own companies can take off whenever. The reality for a lot of families is two wage-earners who might be stuck with some weekend shifts.[/quote]

The average income tax in Denmark is 60%. NO THANK YOU!  Sorry, but no one is going to pay $10,000 a year for travel soccer to subsidize others. [/quote]

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