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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm so sick of people bashing Carole's looks. Especially women. It's such a low blow. I think Carole is lovely. [/quote]

You realize that this type of show is froth, right?  A guilty pleasure for viewers, and little substance, with a cast of superficial women who agreed to this, and who recognize that their looks and personalities will be scrutinized?  Carole agreed to do this.  She put herself into this situation.  She isn't campaigning for public office or debating philosophy or literature in an academic setting.  She is on a reality show in which superficial women present themselves and their superficial problems and looks to be analyzed.

She knows she isn't physically attractive; it isn't a surprise to her that there is discussion about her looks in the media, etc. because she VOLUNTARILY chose to be on RHONY.

If you don't want to read people's opinions about a reality show casts' looks and personalities, you should probably find a different form of media to read and write about.

I do think Carole is ugly.  And I think this sort of thread is the appropriate place to write about it.

If I were commenting on a thread about politics or literature or philosophy, I wouldn't be focusing on peoples' personal appearances.  But ugly Carole's huge mouth is fair game in a thread about RHONY.[/quote]

The show is about "real" women and their lives, not their looks. It is about friendship, society, relationships and--to a lesser degree--business and success. How the women perform in those arenas is certainly fair game.

This is not "How Do These Women Look?" That would be a different show. Not even "America's Next Top Model" is about looks--it's about "performing" with those looks.

Did you never take basic literary criticism or film classes?[/quote]

Wait, what?  You think "the show is about 'real' women" and "their lives"?  The point, as you indicated with your quotation marks (yet appear not to fully grasp), is that they are NOT "real women" and "their lives" consists of largely superficial endeavors.  The show is staged: it is NOT about "friendship": do you really think these women hang out together when not compelled to do so by a film crew/contract?  As for "relationships", these are largely staged as well: the "friendship" you see on the screen is not authentic relationships.  These women have had a LOT of plastic surgery, much of it documented on the show: they themselves are more preoccupied with their appearances than with "business and success" or "relationships" onscreen.

I took quite a few "basic literary criticism" courses, as well as multiple graduate level courses in literary criticism and literary theory as well, thanks very much.  Criticizing frothy reality TV is my secret guilty pleasure when I'm not engaged in academic discourse in my professional life.  I know more about literary theory and its history and application than anybody you know in real life.

But god, Carole is hideous.  And watching RHONY makes me think of the ridiculous "society" people Oscar Wilde and his ilk skewered in their best works.  If Oscar Wilde were alive, he would be on this thread spouting pithy barbs and bitchy remarks about reality show characters' physical appearance, though he had a lot of fun making the same sorts of comments about the "society" ladies and literary darlings of his own time.   Then he would write a perfectly crafted bit of social satire depicting the RHONY ladies, and people like you would read it with a straight, serious face, missing all the finer nuances.

As to "literary criticism", there is a long tradition of authors intentionally manipulating their public personas to encourage media/audience confusion of the author, his/her contrived (and often outrageous) public image of him/herself, and the characters within his/her writing.  Some of the most bitchy, brilliantly critical observers of contemporary fluff society figures I know are published novelists.  [/quote]

Carole has never said that she was a model, so why are you judging her looks? You can criticize what she has chosen to publicly assert about herself--that she is an author, that she is a former news producer/journalist, that she was a wife, that she is now a marathon runner. Carole never made claims about being a model, so why are you criticizing her looks? Her looks are 100% irrelevant.[/quote]

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