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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Very bright kids can be damaged by not being challenged enough and by not getting an education that addresses their needs. 
How do we help those kids while avoiding a lot of the problems such as elitism noted in the thread?

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A good start is keeping them in the same school. Different classes, maybe, but the same school. [/quote]

[b]For the large number of elementary schools that send 5-10 children to a center school, including mine, how do you propose challenging those 5 gifted children? [/b] [/quote]

[b]Are they really [i]that[/i] much ahead of the next 10 kids, ability-wise, in each subject? [/b] Most AAP kids would be fine with just receiving advanced math and language arts one grade level ahead.  For those who aren't, perhaps the best solution is to dispense with strict age level groupings and let them join the advanced math or reading class with a higher grade.  FCPS already does this for the kids who are beyond AAP level math.

Also, part of the problem with the elitism and the labeling is that many AAP kids are good students with scores in the 120s.  Many gen ed kids are also good students with scores in the 120s.  It seems silly to label half of them as gifted and elite, while letting the other half of these bright kids remain bored and unchallenged in gen ed.  [/quote]

They will not have an answer for your gifted kid, because they are too busy playing mother Teresa.

And to the second bolded person, 'YES!', some of those kids are so far away from the next 10 kids. They will read and do math even 2, 3, 4 etc levels ahead, and some will also be able to perform at college level for certain subjects, and putting them with older kids is cruel. Just because you are intellectually advanced does not mean that you are socially advanced. It will be very hard for these kids to relate to each other because they're not at the same maturity level. Would you like your 9 year old daughter going to HS with girls who are talking about sex?

And even if they weren't so far away from the next kid you got to draw the line at some point, because by the time you do next 10 for every next 10, you go to the kids who don't get it no matter what. 
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So again, your (general you) 120s kid cannot possibly be educated alongside the "non gifted" 120s kids, but those 140s kids are going to be served fine in class with your kid?  AAP vs non-AAP is a pretty stark line drawn between (largely) kids of the same ability level.  Yes, some kids are highly gifted, but AAP doesn't serve those children very well.    For the most part, it all seems to be parents with bright but non-gifted kids grubbing for a label and educational services that their kids don't strictly need.

FWIW, my kid is grade skipped in AAP math.  There are no social problems at all, but my kid is bored since the pace is still very slow.  My kid also thinks that a few of the gen ed kids who are guests in the class are also better at math than many of the AAP kids.  [/quote]

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