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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Specifically for HYPSM you need top notch academics and at least one other thing that is really impressive/memorable.

For the non-HYPSM ivies and other top 10 schools you can maybe get away with just (lol) top notch academics and good but not insanely impressive ECs.

As you go even further down to places like Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, WUSTL, Gtown, ND etc, the bar is a bit lower, and usually if your scores are very good they might overlook a GPA or  ECs that are less than amazing.[/quote]

Nah, you need something really impressive/memorable at Penn and Columbia, too. Nobody overlooks GPA, not at Emory or Vanderbilt, and in fact high scores with low GPA can signal you're a slacker.[/quote]

Vanderbilt is actually known for giving a huge emphasis on SATs at the expense of everything else in order to keep its USNews ranking. Also we are not talking about bad GPAs, just GPAs in the 3.6-3.8 region which is clearly below what the majority of people in the ivy+ schools have (most top 15 schools have GPA averages of 3.9+) [/quote]

Most of the schools in the 10-20 range seem to care a lot more about both grades and SATs than the top 5. Those are where all the unhooked perfect scorers in the top 5 percent of the class end up at our HS (if they don't go to the State flagship or chase merit money). With rare exceptions, the kids who go to Harvard, Stanford, etc. have lower scores and grades (in some cases much lower), but either amazing ECs or hooks. [/quote]

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