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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]From a business perspective, I can't see how it makes any sense to exclude an entire 50% of the workforce from a single job category.  Your competitors who figure out how to tap into the talent of women are going to have an advantage.  [/quote]
Top CS/engineering programs are overwhelmingly male.  Top companies hiring tech talent would be dumb to not hire the best.  I don't think anyone would look at the top 100 engineers who are lets say 90 male and 10 female and not hire the 10 females.  What doesn't make sense is why would you hire say 10 more females and only 80 males.  Those 10 more qualified/talented males are going to go to a competitor and eat you alive.[/quote]
This attitude 100% explains why people are so threatened by affirmative action for college admissions. The mistaken belief that where you go to school is the only predictor of success in the real world. As a hiring manager in tech, yes, candidates who attended a top program are likely to be stronger than the general applicant pool. But, no, the best candidates did not all go to the best programs. In fact, the best programmer/engineer I ever had the pleasure to work with started off as a diversity hire of sorts. He was a poor, white, male without college role models, who was hired into a coop program by a big engineering firm and worked through his undergrad and masters, which he received from an average public university (not even the flagship conference). I would hire this guy any day, any time. But without that corporate coop program focused on hiring from non-standard pools of candidates, he would never have gotten the opportunity to shine the way he has.[/quote]
Today, with H1B and H4 and F1/OPT and L1, the companies that WOULD HAVE TAKEN A CHANCE on someone like this do not.  the huge supply of cheap low skilled labor have pushed out any chance of entry level candidates getting jobs.   At the large GSE I work at, people like this are NEVER looked at.  The jobs are farmed to new jersey bodyshops.   I can remember working with Strayer grads, smart people that just did not have the same chance, local US citizens became testers and then developers.   Those people are wasted now with the H1Bs.[/quote]
What are you talking about? Co-op programs like the one the engineer I mentioned came through continue to exist and are recruiting pipelines for many companies. The people I'm talking about are not starting out as testers. They are being recognized for their talents and given opportunities that they would otherwise not get.

I'm not going to defend coding body shops, but you are mistaken if immigration policy changes are going to fix that. The work will simply be outsourced to cheaper labor overseas, if those engineers can't come to the US. It's not like building and airplane, code is pretty portable. I'm not wild about our current immigration policies, because by creating a temporary worker status they create and underclass of workers. But immigrants have always been the lifeblood of US innovation, and so allowing them to come to the US to establish new lives is in our best interest long term. You are talking about job scarcity, which employment numbers do not bear out. There are a host of reasons that Americans aren't going into STEM fields to become engineers...but you seem fixated on only one of them, meanwhile also arguing that unqualified Americans are getting job opportunities left and right thanks to affirmative action. Which one is it? Is it unqualified Indians (who, I promise, are not beneifting from affirmative action) that are taking American jobs from white male programmers? Or unqualified women, blacks, and hispanics...oh, and transgenders?[/quote]

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