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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Kids at TJ cheat because, if they don't, they'll fall behind the kids who do. And if they get caught there are essentially no consequences - they can stay at TJ and counselors aren't allowed to tell colleges.

My DC, who has done very well at TJ without cheating, was shocked by the stories that were told at the assembly a few months ago. There are people (companies?) which have file cabinets of old TJ tests/problem sets, etc - and, yes, they seem to be shared among kids of the same ethnicity. He had absolutely no idea that was going on, and he came home very angry and upset. He was earning his grades while it seems half the school is cheating to get them.

I'm hopeful that the new principal will stress ethics more than Dr. Glazer, whose main concern is promoting the school, and by extension, himself. [/quote]

"There are people (companies?) which have file cabinets of old TJ tests/problem sets, etc - "  - The whole test prep industry is based on this (old questions as a basis for prep).  It's up to the teachers to change them up as often as possible.  No way around it.  No point getting upset that one group of kids have it.  I would not call that cheating.  Cheating is copying the answers from another person.  If the teachers are too lazy to change questions...

Bottom line, no consequences, no change.  [/quote]

Stop blaming the teachers when kids cheat. Many subjects do not lend themselves to making new tests every year. [b]It is cheating to get old test questions that a teacher hasn't given permission to look at.[/b] Looking at other people's tests is not the only way to cheat and if that is what you are teaching your kids, you are doing them a huge disservice.

The school has to be able to enforce consequences that the parents back up, no making excuses for kids.  If kids don't understand what constitutes cheating, they need to be taught- and maybe some of the parents need to be taught, also. 
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Says who?  Is this spelled out in the code of conduct (or whatever they have at TJ)?  What are the consequences?

Listen.. No one wants to raise children who cheat.  If some do they are idiots and they should be made to pay.  If you don't make them pay, why would others follow the rules?  
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I have no idea if it is spelled out, but I was taught this in high school and college, even though I don't believe it was in writing anywhere. I heard rumors in college that some campus groups had files of old tests and we were told by the school that it would be considered cheating if we were to use such "resources." I had a few professors and teachers who gave out old tests to study from and it was clear that those situations were different from getting old tests from other students.

I'm surprised any adult needs to be told this.
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