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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Science is a creation.  Like matter, time, math, life and order.

Atheism is the worship of creation.[/quote]

Not really, but feel free to believe that if you need that amount of order in your life. 
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Yep. Really.  a belief that time, math, life and matter itself came from nothing is hilarious. but feel free to believe that if that's what you need to keep your sanity. [/quote]

And feel free to believe that time, math, life and matter came from an invisible being who lives in the sky if that's what you need to keep your sanity.  Just please try not to denigrate people who don't believe that story.[/quote]

You could both step away from that silly argument if you could acknowledge that "God" simply is.  It doesn't need to go beyond that for many people.  Math, Science, Life, etc are part of a creative consciousness that some people call "God".  "Me", "I", "You", "Source", "Love", "Life", "Universe", etc. could all be thought of a synonyms for the word "God".  Reality transcends our simple language.  We are all connected. [b]That connection, whatever name you choose to use, is God.[/b]  The I AM. The beginning and the end and everything in between.  It's so much simpler when you allow creation to be the creator. And the creator, creation.  If you are a Christian like I Am, your stories fit perfectly into this understanding of God.  And you are better able to accept all paths, including atheism, as sacred.

/minister[/quote]

Some people call that God, but some people  don't think of it as god, depite the broad definition the minister provides for god. For some people god is a particular deity of a particular religion or set of religions (e.g., Abrahamic, incl. Judaism, Christianity, Islam).

Other people don't use the term "god" to describe "Source", "Love", "Life" whatever.  They prefer to use more specific words instead.    They will use the word God to describe their deity, which they may think of as being in heaven (as described in their holy book) or as being everywhere. [/quote]

But respectfully, that's kind of my point. I'm not sure our language could ever adequately define "God".  And I think that's a good thing. Our relationship with Creation or with what a spiritual person migh call God or Spirit is so very personal. I would never want to define that relationship for another being. If an atheist finds cosmic order in Science and Mathematics, in my mind that IS Devine. That is his answer to the puzzle of the universe. People change their views on religion and spirituality.  The Christian you meet today could be an atheist tomorrow. And I know lots of atheists who find spirituality later.  As a Hospice minister, I see this almost every day.

It's a journey.  The only thing I know with certainty is that none of us have the answers.  We are all learning, growing, and changing. It's important that we learn to acknowledge that our faith is not the only one that is "right".  I can allow space for both of us to be right. [/quote]

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