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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.[/quote]

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.[/quote]

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins.  As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated.  And the uneducated love him too.  [/quote]

Wow, I forgot about that comment.  I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them.  The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them.  Flattery works.[/quote]

Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.[/quote]

He didn't embrace them. He played them by convincing them he had. He will do nothing for them and looks down on them as much as the "liberal elites" if not more. [/quote]

I agree that he doesn't have any particular affinity for them beyond the appreciation they offer him.

But the Democrats could have embraced and accepted them too, instead of criticizing them and demeaning them. [b]Many of the uneducated lack the opportunity to go to college.[/b] You'd think that would be a ready made group for the Democrats to court. But they preferred to use them as a point of mockery.[/quote]

NP here.  This doesn't tell the whole story.  I grew up blue collar (as did my husband).  And I can tell you that there are actually a lot of people in that demographic who are openly hostile toward college and higher education.  That is part of the problem.

My husband and I both got a lot of grief for pursuing an education.  We worked hard to do it, but we were mocked.  I'm sure our relatives and inlaws see us as the "privileged liberals" now.  But the reality is we grew up with them, under the same circumstances, with the same limitations.  We weren't privileged elitists.  But we were willing to do what we had to do to pursue higher education.

I do think a lot of liberals are disconnected from the mindset of those deep red areas.   But not in the way people assume.

The reality is that it is part of human nature for people to cling to the familiar.  It's why it is not easy to improve areas with deep poverty (urban, rural, rust belt).  People are suspicious of change, reluctant to adapt to new realities.  They cling to the familiar -- even if that familiar hasn't served them well.  They repeat patterns.   It's very hard to overcome.

If lack of opportunity to pursue education was really the problem, then people in those areas would have been receptive to the message of affordable college (Bernie was the loudest voice of that message, but it was also a part of Hillary's campaign).  But they didn't seem to care about that.  Voters in those areas were less interested in free or affordable college than they were in someone promising to bring the old jobs back -- even though a lot of the old jobs have been eliminated by technology, not by any political policy and even though what made the old jobs good jobs were the things the unions secured (pensions, job security, good wages).
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Very well stated.

In history, civilizations resistant to change, and those that wanted to isolate themselves because of tradition, etc.. fall.

You look at some of those third world countries in Asia and Africa, and those who are most resistant to change, holding onto their traditions, are the ones that will stay backwards.  Countries like Japan, S. Korea, and China have managed to come out of poverty by embracing progress and change.  They may still hold onto some of their traditions, but where it counts, technology and the economy, they have embraced progress.  S. Korea also used to rely heavily on manufacturing; I remember when lots of things were made in Korea.  Now, their wages are too high so they even outsource their manufacturing to some place cheaper.  The people in these countries value education, and the parents want their kids to have an education even if they themselves did not.  They see the way out of poverty through education, as do some parents in the US. Unfortunately, those who should value it more in this country do not, and instead, sneer at those who do.

BTW Trump has a degree, too, though his father had to pull strings to get him into B school because Trump couldn't hack it on his own.  Talk about elitist.[/quote]

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