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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really don't get the personal animus shown here towards Freedman.  Gottlieb has been far more nasty in his pleadings, and refusing to agree to a first request for an extension is not normal practice.  Being a bit of a blowhard is pretty much a character trait for plaintiff attorneys and will be something the judge sees day in and day out.  It certainly isn't something that will "turn him against" Freedman as one poster hopes.[/quote]

I wouldn't say I have "personal" animus towards Freedman, but as a lawyer I've known many like him and it's one of the reasons I left litigation. It is not a style or personality type I enjoy, so I'm predisposed to dislike him. Also early in following this case, I read this profile of him (from last summer), and there's a lot of details in there that give me the ick:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/entertainment-lawyer-bryan-freedman-hollywood-dark-knight-1235919993/

I do think he's an effective lawyer for the kind of cases he takes on and I don't think he's dumb. But I cannot stand his approach to the media and I find his personality grating.

I also happened to have a lot of respect for Gottlieb based on some of his prior pro bono work (for instance defending GA poll workers against attacks from Giuliani after the 2020 election) and his style is preferable to me -- more restrained and professional IMO.

I just don't enjoy bombastic lawyers unless they are funny. Freedman is a specific kind of litigator, a media-savvy pitbull. I've known others like him. It is effective but I don't enjoy it. That's all.[/quote]

DP, who listened to the PO hearing, who doesn’t like Freedman and makes somewhat hostile posts about him here.  I have worked with (and against) other attorneys who are openly hostile to opposing counsel from the starting point (rather than having such a take on opposing counsel be earned over time due to dirty tricks or whatever), and it’s never good. These have always been the worst attorneys to deal with in my career and have been uniformly terrible people. Their egos cannot be appeased and even when they are on your side, they are impossible to work with.

The other thing I’ve heard about Freedman specifically is that he files things prematurely before he has the facts to back them up, expecting to gain those facts through discovery. That’s not the way complaints are supposed to work — you’re supposed to have the basics to support your claim in hand before filing. You shouldn’t be signing court filings that are guesses. But he doesn’t see a problem with that. [/quote]

PP here and one of my issues with Freedman is that he has a history of doing things that I think are unethical with respect to the media. For instance in that article I linked to, they mention a case he handled against Bravo where he went on TMZ and waived around a document with the title "Slave Contract," implying that this was one of the contracts with Bravo at issue in his case. Later it turned out that was a prop contract that had nothing to do with the case. When I practiced, I encountered lawyers like this who have very loose relationships with truth and ethics and it's just so far from who I am as a person and a lawyer, it really drove me crazy. There is a whole school of thought in litigation that it's okay to pushed the boundaries of professional or personal ethics in order to zealously advocate for your client, he's far from alone in this. I dislike it and it wore me down over time and eventually I just decided I didn't want to spend so much of my professional life engaged in conflict with people who had such a different approach to me.

Lawyers disagree on this. I have old colleagues I like and respect who are not bothered by this stuff. Everyone is different. But for me, Freedman crosses a line. I feel similarly about his "Exhibit A" (which is just clearly a violation of procedural rules and is almost certainly going to be stricken at some point) and about some of the "leaks" or "receipts" Freedman has produced that I think are intentionally misleading.[/quote]

You don’t seem cut out for litigation and that is reflected in your analysis.[/quote]

Not being "cut out for" the kind of litigation where people lie about "slave contracts" to the press in order to undercut the opposition is a good thing.[/quote]

It's like saying someone isn't "cut out for" dirty political campaigns. It means you're too decent to pull this crap.[/quote]

Agree. The PP putting this lawyer down is a jerk, and I note nobody is commenting about how they love working with attorneys who are like Freedman. I think most of the pro-Baldoners left on this thread are not attorneys and don’t really know what they’re talking about tbh. [/quote]

And you’d be wrong.  I am, and I can tell there is at least one other pro Baldoni lawyer poster on just this page.  However, I do appreciate that the two most prolific Lively posters have confirmed what we have long known, neither are litigators.[/quote]

I litigate.  So let me know what you think of those ROG responses. Totally normal, eh?[/quote]

You already admitted you didn’t.  But please continue for another 50 pages so we can all tune you out again.[/quote]

Nah, I litigate. I don’t always call myself “a litigator” because for the kinds of clients we handle, I am often not the one standing up in court at this stage of my career. But I respond to interrogatories, discovery, I write briefs, I prep for and take depositions, I work with experts. and I have stood up in court and made arguments for sure.  Let me know what you do, since you don’t give any information on that. [/quote]

I spent 15 years in litigation at two T10 law firms that actual take cases to court, worked as a litigator in federal government and am currently an AAG.[/quote]

If you’re an assistant attorney general in this administration, I guess I can understand why you’re always so angry. My (sincere) condolences. [/quote]

Assistant Attorney General is a position with a state.  You appear to be confusing it with Asst US Attorney.  You seem very unfamiliar with how litigation works.[/quote]

I understand you are saying you work for a state, but you are wrong to say that all Assistant Attorney Generals do. See, e.g., prior Assistant Attorney General Jonathan Kanter (DOJ Antitrust Division).  There are federal AAGs that are not so high up , either — AAG Jolene Ann Lauria is AAG for Administration at DOJ.

So seems like you’re the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about, actually. Sorry not sorry. [/quote]

In which case, I would not have distinguished my federal service from my current position.  Reading is fundamental.[/quote]

That’s not what you said above, though. What you said above was:  “ Assistant Attorney General is a position with a state.”  And that was wrong. Meaning, you, the person who said that, were wrong.

You were wrong. [/quote]

Are you arguing now that AAG is not a state position?  Because it definitely is.[/quote]

No. I said if you were a federal AAG I understood your anger, and PP said AAGs are not federal positions they are state positions. And I showed that there are federal AAGs, consistent with my original comment. So PPs claim that there were no federal AAGs was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

Honestly you people can’t read, how are you even attorneys?  I can’t even[/quote]

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