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No, I mean as someone who values the Western idea of feminism (both of my parents, especially my father, were proud feminists and children of the 60s), it makes me sad that other women who are living in a Western country are wholeheartedly rejecting that idea, either consciously or unconsciously.  I feel the same way about quiverful women, too, although that choice is usually made consciously, rather than unconsciously.  [/quote]
You realize that's the same thing, right? You value the Western idea of feminism.  It makes you sad other people don't value it like you do.  You want everyone to be like you and it makes you sad that they aren't.

Silly me. I thought feminism was about freedom of choice. You and people like you are simply incapable of imagining that someone may make a choice different from yours voluntarily.  In your mind, freedom of choice means everyone chooses exactly what you would.  If they don't, they must be forced.

Too bad you don't see that forcing someone to conform to the dress code you have in mind is pure violence. [/quote]

I understand that a woman's choice is the heart of feminism.  I understand that in this country, women choose to work or not, get married or not, have children or not, have careers or hobbies or sit on the couch eating bonbons all day.  I also understand that other cultures don't allow that choice.  [b]And Muslima is not convincing me that every niqabi has chosen A instead of B.[/b]

Pure violence?  What is the greatest determinate for sexual abuse and gender dicrimination?  Gender inequality.[/quote]
I don't see any contradiction in this, you are essentially agreeing with me.  You have trouble believing that anyone who chooses differently from you is choosing it voluntarily.  You need special proof that they are, because you think that anyone in their right mind would choose exactly the way you did.  And you are going to be reeeeally picky with that proof.  Like, "no, still not convinced!"

If you think that uncovered women are never sexually abused or discriminated against, you're wrong. [/quote]

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